Mayka, Not at all! But that also answers your question about it being one side of a duality (mindful/not mindful). However, even if you forget to be mindful (!) - you're always aware of 'I am'...
Mike ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 1:38:50 Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization Mike: No but I wish. Are you? Mayka --- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: >From: mike brown <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization >To: [email protected] >Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 15:37 > > > >Mayka, > >Are you mindful 24/7? > >Mike > > > > ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 0:20:44 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization > > >Mike: Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in forgetfullness >Mayka: I can't see the duality of being mindful. When there is pure >mindfulness there is automatically "just this". Mindfulness is full attention >and awareness in the present moment. > > > >--- On Wed, 2/3/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: mike brown <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Realization >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Wednesday, 2 March, 2011, 11:18 >> >> >> >>Hi JM, >> >>Thanks for the question. Meditation is the best practice that I know of, but >>is >>not essential. Even being 'mindful' is not 'it' as it has it's duality in >>forgetfullness. If there is a way, then it has to be simple and everywhen (a >>nod >>to Steve). What do we know outside of concepts, thoughts, visualisations, >>tools, >>witnessing etc.? We are always beyond doubt existentially aware of 'I am' (a >>further nod to Ramana Maharishi and Nisargadatta Maharal), so this is a good >>place to start. But ultimately, even awareness of 'I am' is a product of the >>mind and so we need to go further beyond that to Pure Awareness ; ) where we >>all >>share the same (Buddha) Nature and nothing really needs to be done. >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 0:38:16 >>Subject: [Zen] Realization >> >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>According to your witness, is there a practice/way/how to "realize"? >> >>Thanks, >>JM >> >>Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>http://www.heartchan.org >> >>On 3/1/2011 2:16 AM, mike brown wrote: >> >>>ED, >>> >>>Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential >>>for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the >>>paradox >>>- for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation. >>> >>>Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: ED <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57 >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Change >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have >>>claimed to >>>have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened. >>>--ED >>> >>>--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>> >>>> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential >>>> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral >>>>development, >>>> >>>> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for >>>> deepening >>>> >>>> the initial breakthrough. >>>> >>>> Mike >>> >> >
