Mike,

What is the distinction between emlightenment and Realisation?

--ED



--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>

ED,   Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not
essential for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation.
Therein lies the paradox - for most of us meditation was the way to
Realisation.   Mike


I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have
claimed to have become spontaneously enlightened or were born
enlightened.

--ED



--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not
essential
> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral
development,
> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for
deepening
> the initial breakthrough.
>
> Mike



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