ED,

Maybe, maybe not. It still stands tho that meditation is not essential 
for enlightenment as it leads us away from Realisation. Therein lies the 
paradox 
- for most of us meditation was the way to Realisation.

Mike




________________________________
From: ED <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, 1 March, 2011 18:20:57
Subject: Re: [Zen] Change

  

 
I believe that there are relatively few cases of individuals who have claimed 
to 
have become spontaneously enlightened or were born enlightened.
--ED
 
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> ... I empathise with the Dzogchen claim that meditation is not essential 
> for enlightenmentm but is useful for developing mindfullness, moral 
>development, 
>
> concentration etc. Only after Realisation is meditation essential for 
> deepening 
>
> the initial breakthrough.
> 
> Mike



      

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