Bill, You are not the culprit. You just support the crime. Dogen is Japanese. No wonder he did not fully understand the literal meaning of shikantaza. If you label the term: for non Chinese only, you will get away. Anthony
--- On Tue, 12/4/11, Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: [Zen] Re: Buddhist meditation practices To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 12 April, 2011, 8:50 AM Anthny, It wasn't me! Is was that sly old fox Dogen Zenji! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > Then you have given a new meaning of shikantaza. I am not going to continue > to argue about the meaning. It is up to you. >  > Anthony > > --- On Mon, 11/4/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Buddhist meditation practices > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, 11 April, 2011, 3:48 PM > > >  > > > > THAT'S what I'm talking about!!! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "According to Dôgen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of > > brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no > > object, and attached to no particular contentâ€"is the highest or > > purest form of zazen, zazen as it was practiced by all the buddhas of > > the past." > > > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > Anthony, > > > > > > Thank you for your language lesson. > > > > > > For me and in the context of zen 'shikantaza' will always mean 'clear > > mind'. The English phrase 'just sit' will also always mean 'clear mind'. > > In fact the word 'zen' for means means 'clear mind', so when I say > > 'zazen' I mean 'sit zen' or 'sit clear mind' - which is for me > > 'shikantaza' I wouldn't think anyone associated with zen would think > > that this included daydreaming or thinking about anything at all. > > > > > > Having said all that I have heard the term 'zazen' to also describe > > sitting and working on koans. For me that's not truely zazen. That's > > focused meditation and is a teaching technique used as a precursor to > > zazen (clear mind). > > > > > > Oh well, such is the tangled web of words...Bill! > > >
