KG for one...

What Bill! says as opposed to what he actually does for another...
:-)

Edgar



On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Bill! wrote:

> Edgar and Joe,
> 
> Where did you get the idea that 'zen practitioners' are predominately passive?
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
> >
> > Edgar,
> > 
> > Welcome home!
> > 
> > Right.
> > 
> > And if you knew Aitken Roshi, you'd be exhausted by now even just FOLLOWING 
> > the activism that he engaged in, much less participating in it with him. ;-)
> > 
> > But I don't know where the notion of passivity of/as Zen practitioners 
> > comes from, which you mention. That may be the outsiders' view, due to 
> > "media" lack of understanding, going just one half millimeter deep; but 
> > it's not the view from the inside / our side. As you know!
> > 
> > Whatever's necessary is what GOES. Look out, passivists, and paci-fists. 
> > Here come REAL Fists! We are the true kung-fu. ;-)
> > 
> > Nihilism is knee-hilism: Not in MY "zen"! ;-)
> > 
> > Zen-mind operates in a way opposite to "total passivity and nihilism'; 
> > never heard of such baloney / bullshit before now, in all my life. It is 
> > the Life-of-Life, instead; and not a sickly concept. Again, you know.
> > 
> > Just agreeing with you.
> > 
> > --Joe
> > 
> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Merle,
> > > 
> > > Absolutely admirable!
> > > 
> > > In spite of what some would have us believe Zen does not require total 
> > > passivity and nihilism.
> >
> 
> 

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