Bill, I know you think mathematics and other forms of reason are all illusion.
But 2 hours a week = only 1% of the time.. Any REASONABLE person would say that 1% of the time = rarely. But of course I know you don't consider yourself a "reasonable man"... Edgar On May 1, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Why would you classify 2+ hours a week 'very rarely'? > > I'm sure I spend a lot less time on the toilet than that but I wouldn't say I > 'very rarely' shit. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Merle, > > > > Bill keeps telling us that sitting is what's important over everything > > else, yet he very rarely sits! > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 > > > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > >> > > >> I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but > > >> some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the > > >> morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or > > >> any stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and > > >> then get up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like > > >> to repeat this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. > > >> Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the > > >> sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I > > >> said not at all. > > >> > > >> What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation? > > >> > > >> ...Bill! > > >> > > >> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Edgar, > > >> > > > >> > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my > > >> > method of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. > > >> > This is Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to > > >> > be neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old > > >> > Masters, nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > > >> > > > >> > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > > >> > > > >> > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it > > >> > here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > > >> > > > >> > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > > >> > > > >> > --Joe > > >> > > > >> > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more > > >> > than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't > > >> > name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost > > >> > never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their > > >> > writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; > > >> > their vocalizations have faded. > > >> > > > >> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Joe and Bill, > > >> > > > > >> > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of > > >> > > the traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost > > >> > > always the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of > > >> > > seeing the true nature of the world of forms. > > >> > > > > >> > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > > >> > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
