Bill,

I know you think mathematics and other forms of reason are all illusion.

But 2 hours a week = only 1% of the time..

Any REASONABLE person would say that 1% of the time = rarely. But of course I 
know you don't consider yourself a "reasonable man"...



Edgar



On May 1, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Bill! wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> Why would you classify 2+ hours a week 'very rarely'?
> 
> I'm sure I spend a lot less time on the toilet than that but I wouldn't say I 
> 'very rarely' shit.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> >
> > Merle,
> > 
> > Bill keeps telling us that sitting is what's important over everything 
> > else, yet he very rarely sits!
> > 
> > Edgar
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On May 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bill,
> > > 
> > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 
> > > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week...
> > > 
> > > Edgar
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote:
> > > 
> > >> 
> > >> Joe, Edgar and Everyone,
> > >> 
> > >> I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but 
> > >> some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in the 
> > >> morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE breakfast or 
> > >> any stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 minutes and 
> > >> then get up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my legs. I like 
> > >> to repeat this two more times for a total of 3 sessions of sitting. 
> > >> Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or for one of the 
> > >> sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and sometimes like I 
> > >> said not at all.
> > >> 
> > >> What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of meditation?
> > >> 
> > >> ...Bill!
> > >> 
> > >> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Edgar,
> > >> > 
> > >> > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my 
> > >> > method of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to it. 
> > >> > This is Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's not to 
> > >> > be neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the Old 
> > >> > Masters, nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers.
> > >> > 
> > >> > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice.
> > >> > 
> > >> > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed it 
> > >> > here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!).
> > >> > 
> > >> > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none.
> > >> > 
> > >> > --Joe
> > >> > 
> > >> > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done more 
> > >> > than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters you don't 
> > >> > name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and not "almost 
> > >> > never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, it's in their 
> > >> > writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th Century C.E. figures; 
> > >> > their vocalizations have faded.
> > >> > 
> > >> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Joe and Bill,
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of 
> > >> > > the traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is almost 
> > >> > > always the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and consists of 
> > >> > > seeing the true nature of the world of forms.
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the 
> > >> > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting....
> > >> >
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

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