Edgar, You're beating a dead (and very illusory) horse, and making a particular part of that horse of yourself.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > I know you think mathematics and other forms of reason are all illusion. > > But 2 hours a week = only 1% of the time.. > > Any REASONABLE person would say that 1% of the time = rarely. But of course I > know you don't consider yourself a "reasonable man"... > > > > Edgar > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Why would you classify 2+ hours a week 'very rarely'? > > > > I'm sure I spend a lot less time on the toilet than that but I wouldn't say > > I 'very rarely' shit. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > Bill keeps telling us that sitting is what's important over everything > > > else, yet he very rarely sits! > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it the quality or the quantity that is important?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > Previously you told us you sat only 3 times a week for 2 sessions of 22 > > > > minutes apiece which totals less than 3 hours a week... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Joe, Edgar and Everyone, > > > >> > > > >> I sit (zazen) almost every day. I actually intend to sit every day but > > > >> some days that schedule is interrupted. When I sit it is usually in > > > >> the morning shortly after I wake and take a shower but BEFORE > > > >> breakfast or any stimulants like a cup of tea. When I sit I sit for 20 > > > >> minutes and then get up and walk around about 5 minutes to stretch my > > > >> legs. I like to repeat this two more times for a total of 3 sessions > > > >> of sitting. Sometimes I substitute bowing or chanting for sitting or > > > >> for one of the sessions. Sometimes I only sit 1 or 2 sessions, and > > > >> sometimes like I said not at all. > > > >> > > > >> What are your practices vis-a-vis zazen or some other form of > > > >> meditation? > > > >> > > > >> ...Bill! > > > >> > > > >> --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Edgar, > > > >> > > > > >> > When I sit, I sit in the world of forms. Granted, I stay with my > > > >> > method of meditation. Except when I don't. And then I come back to > > > >> > it. This is Practice, and keeping and putting-in-a-foundation. It's > > > >> > not to be neglected, and neither has it ever been deprecated by the > > > >> > Old Masters, nor even our quite young, recent, master teachers. > > > >> > > > > >> > To my mind, Zazen is the indispensable 1/13th part of Zen practice. > > > >> > > > > >> > We all know too how little Bill! needs to sit, because he revealed > > > >> > it here. Howdy!, and kudos, Bill!(!). > > > >> > > > > >> > So, Edgar: Start a point, please, because ...so far you have none. > > > >> > > > > >> > --Joe > > > >> > > > > >> > PS If you were ever really one of their students, you'd have done > > > >> > more than *hear* about sitting from those traditional Zen masters > > > >> > you don't name. And you would definitely have heard about it, and > > > >> > not "almost never". Neither Dogen nor Hongzi mentioned it? Well, > > > >> > it's in their writings: As contemporaries, they were both 13th > > > >> > Century C.E. figures; their vocalizations have faded. > > > >> > > > > >> > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Joe and Bill, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > It is true that sitting is almost never mentioned in the words of > > > >> > > the traditional Zen masters. Enlightenment Zen experience is > > > >> > > almost always the result of actions IN THE WORLD OF FORMS and > > > >> > > consists of seeing the true nature of the world of forms. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > You two are totally outside of and go against Zen tradition by the > > > >> > > exclusive emphasis you put on sitting.... > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
