it is mathematics and it certainly does communicate..without mathematics we would not have any bridges to cross rivers for example...merle
The experience of unity that is what I am trying to convey, not that effectively, is no more sharable than the experience of unity one may notice while taking a bath or washing the coffee mugs. Communicators may try to use math, but these uses are always matters of stories. Any ways, surely you don't mean math itself communicates? What ever would that mean? Remember, math properly is called maths. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jul 4, 2013 12:16 PM, "Edgar Owen" <edgaro...@att.net> wrote: > >Chris, > > >It's really dumb to say math doesn't communicate! Of course it does... > > >Edgar > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > >> >> >>I have to share Bill's disagreement of math being a language or even being >>communicative. >>Thanks, >>--Chris >>301-270-6524 >> >>On Jul 3, 2013 10:48 PM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiit...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> mathematics is a universal language as is art and music..merle >>> >>>PBS, >>> >>>Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat 'suitable >>>for everyday use'. As a universal human language to communicate our logical >>>concepts it's very useful, but it should never be mistaken for reality. >>> >>>...Bill! >>> >>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <pandabananasock@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bill!: >>>> You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for an >>>> impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D >>>> >>>> The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back >>>> to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, then >>>> we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that both >>>> are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all -- >>>> no need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and >>>> mountains again! >>>> ~PeeBeeEss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and >>>> Karma >>>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>>> Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM >>>> >>>> PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three >>>> Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... >>>> >>>> I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is >>>> such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a >>>> moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of >>>> the act itself. >>>> >>>> But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, >>>> pandabananasock@ wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, >>>> that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes >>>> 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different >>>> equations, but they are not in the least bit >>>> different. The equal-sign is the present. >>>> > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the >>>> cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something >>>> "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic >>>> reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" >>>> thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------ >>>> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > >...Bill! >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have >>>> read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups >>>> Links >>>> >>>> >>>> zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >
