On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, at 22:19, me wrote: > Christian, > > Were you thinking of an internal poll? That’s actually a spectacular idea.
Yes, that was I was thinking. Basically a poll on members@, since (I guess) members would eventually decide on that proposal. > > How do we go about kicking that off? I am not so sure either, but I guess writing the poll and proposing it to community@ would be a first step. Once decided on the content we could vote on sending it, and then send it to members@ Others may have different ideas, but that is my first idea on it. Thanks for calling my idea spectacular, it gives me a warm feeling, since I didn't think of it as such :) Kind regards, Christian > > > Ed Mangini > m...@emangini.com > > > From: Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@apache.org> > Reply: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> > Date: April 28, 2022 at 15:43:04 > To: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> > Subject: Re: It’s time to change the name > >> >> Hello, >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, at 20:57, me wrote: >> > The desire to make the change is definitely there. I echo Walter’s >> > passion and statements. >> >> +1 >> > I also agree w/ Sam that this isn’t going to be easy to accomplish. >> >> +1 >> >> > Perhaps a starting point would be to answer these questions in concert: >> > - what is the LOE to perform the rebranding/renaming? >> > - are there enough volunteers within the organization willing to >> > participate? >> > - what does the community think? >> > >> > I want to emphasize that this last question is a point of no return. If >> > we start creating surveys and asking about our brand, it’s going to >> > chum the waters. >> >> Agreed. I would have thought to make a poll in the community first- briefly >> explain the issue and see what the community (non-binding) vote is - just >> checking sentiments. >> >> I am afraid there will be a lot of headwinds. But based on the outcome one >> could decide if its more work to explain the issue or actually solve the >> issue. >> >> Also a quick poll could stir up some people who are interested in helping. >> >> Cheers, >> Christian >> >> > >> > >> > From: Walter Cameron <walter.li...@waltercameron.com> >> > Reply: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> >> > Date: April 28, 2022 at 01:29:03 >> > To: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> >> > Subject: Re: It’s time to change the name >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:40 PM Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote: >> > >> >> Walter: what are you personally willing to volunteer to do? What is >> >> your plan? What resources do you need? >> > >> > >> > Honestly Sam the extent of my plan was to bring attention to this issue >> > and >> > the harms it’s caused. Beyond that I’m kinda winging it but I appreciate >> > your eagerness and openness to change. I had hoped I’d speak up, people >> > would finally pull their heads out of the sand and work to undo the harm >> > they’ve caused. >> > >> > ASF’s brand violates its own CoC. You would think that might spur effort >> > for change by those perpetuating the harm, but if you want me to do the >> > work I’ll do whatever I can. I’m not that familiar with the details of the >> > organization, surely not as familiar as one of its Directors, so in a lot >> > of ways I don’t fully understand the scope of what needs to be done, but >> > I’m willing to volunteer a few weekends of my rudimentary technical and >> > design skills to run a “Find & Replace…” and put together a new logo or >> > whatever you think would be helpful in this effort. I haven’t designed a >> > logo in probably 15 years but I’m willing to give it a try. >> > >> > I would have assumed that an organization with a paid staff and goals to >> > increase the diversity of its contributors and continue receiving >> > corporate >> > donations would understand that the costs of inaction outweigh the costs >> > of >> > action here. >> > >> > Let me know what else I can do to help. >> > >> > Walter >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>
