I don't think you realize how little helpers there actually are. A lot of
responses, as is, go unanswered. We don't need increased participation in
#wikipedia-en-help, unless it's increased participation from helpers and
not helpees.

From,
Emily


On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for finding that page. I don't know how much that kind of chat
> system would help our editor numbers but it's worth discussing. Any
> comments from the Growth and EE teams?
>
> Pine
> On Aug 12, 2014 8:10 PM, "quiddity" <pandiculat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The pro and cons of web-chat, and some technical options are collated at:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Live_Chat_System
>> (especially the 2nd-to-last section, for "Why not IRC?")
>> IRC makes followup discussion, or time-delayed discussion, too difficult,
>> if the user doesn't use their identical username, and state their
>> home-wiki. Also, it shows IPs if users don't obtain a cloak first.
>>
>> However, just for informational purposes, here are links for easy
>> comparison:
>> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/test
>> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#test
>> ( the default client uses http://www.qwebirc.org/  )
>>
>> HTH,
>> Quiddity
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now we
>>> have plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make
>>> incremental improvements to their experience faster than we can build a new
>>> tool from scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar to
>>> texting and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie
>>> user experience.
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan" <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the questions
>>>> Seb
>>>> poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode
>>>> interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not
>>>> to
>>>> mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along
>>>> the
>>>> lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, and
>>>> people
>>>> who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever you
>>>> want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat.
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