For anyone who gets to the bottom of this, wet noodle time on me for
getting frustrated.
I certainly respect the reasoning of those who want to stay away from
the fray, take breaks, boycott etc. and wish I could get myself to do it!
It just would be nice to see a bit more action out of a group that
ostensibly is for dealing with the problem.
On 8/12/2014 2:56 PM, Carol Moore dc wrote:
On 8/12/2014 1:39 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:
Cynicism can be a powerful tool. And you aren't the first person to
tell a shitstarter like me that ;-)
OK, in that vein, first, are we talking about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help/clickthrough
I hate chatting myself so already have a bad attitude. I guess those
with a similar attitude will avoid that option. Experienced people
may be able to figure out how it works and if they have a regular IRC
account or they're using the wikipedia account to get in there. But
I'm sure a lot of people will be confused.
But my "Shitstarter" comments are:
*If women are having harassment and other issues are they at least
being made aware of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countering_systemic_bias/Gender_gap_task_force
(or if more relevant https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap) and
even sent there for help, even before ANI.
Obviously, not, because right now males are still disrupting it. Just
as they are disrupting editing at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_bias_on_Wikipedia
A lot of women did show up and were quite outspoken at the Jimmy Wales
talk page, but we can't just rely on him to solve our problems.
At both the "Gender Gap Task force" and "Gender bias on Wikipedia"
article they've been picking on the more outspoken and active women,
casting aspersions based on little or nothing but their own
prejudice. If women are watching, they are saying little or nothing.
And several editors have joined, evidently taken a quick look at the
talk page, and unjoined.
I personally don't want to make this my main project and wouldn't be
able to anyway because a couple of these guys already have harassed me
so much I lost my temper leading to a topic ban in another area. And
those two and some new ones with strong men's rights POVs (if not
editing histories) are trying to do it again. So I can't predict how
long I'll last.
But the whole bloody mess is all there in Gender Gap Task Force
history, so expect the New York Times article "How (pick your
adjective) males destroyed the Wikipedia Gender Gap Task Force" if
more women don't "women up" and get involved. I keep hoping that those
of us who are active are not seen as too "assertive" and too scary by
other women.
Frustrated... CM
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