Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
That's Patrick Delongchamp of the old vlog cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com which stopped last June when he and his partner broke up. He used to post quite a lot on this Group, but nothing since September, so I guess he's given up interest in Vlogs... other than telling us what is a Vlog and what is not. If you want to have a reasoned discussion with him about the rights and wrongs of this, he published his email here as patnmax at gmail Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 03:03, Michael Verdi wrote: This user - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry (deleting everything useful in it). It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi Well, doesn't look like he does have the patience any more, sadly. On Meiser's Talk page on Friday, he said he's now going to give up, exhausted by Patrick Delongchamp's repeated 'delete trolling.' So Meiser has spent a long time protecting the entry from this sad little man on a power trip. Not just Meiser's own work, but the hours and hours of work of all you others who have added to and discussed the Wikipedia entry. This is what community is for. It's all about consensus and support. How can we organize to support Meiser, and persuade this troll to leave it alone? Maybe we can turn the tables and exhaust Delongchamp instead, show him that more people believe in the fuller entry than in his destructive, narcissistic little stub. I'm game. What do you reckon? This is a problem on Wikipedia, individuals who use deletion to exert a kind of tyrannical power over entries. The rule that things must be from a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) can be corrupted and abused to mean that everything that is not sourced must be stripped away. It's an incredible power, to delete everyone else's entries and just leave your own. It's a terrible abuse, I think, and achieves the opposite of what NPOV intended - one view instead of many. To justify it, Patrick Delongchamp needs to be backed by a community consensus, which he is not. I didn't know this was going on. I wish I had - it's the kind of thing that should be discussed here. The wikipedia entry always *used* to be discussed here, however painfully. Usually when someone was trying to exert too much individual influence. At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Rupert Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 30 Apr 2007, at 09:10, Rupert wrote: That's Patrick Delongchamp of the old vlog cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com which stopped last June when he and his partner broke up. He used to post quite a lot on this Group, but nothing since September, so I guess he's given up interest in Vlogs... other than telling us what is a Vlog and what is not. If you want to have a reasoned discussion with him about the rights and wrongs of this, he published his email here as patnmax at gmail Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 03:03, Michael Verdi wrote: This user - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry (deleting everything useful in it). It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Den 30.04.2007 kl. 10:51 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Or like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. Old, bitter and generally unwilling until someone shoots your best friend dead and puts his body on display on Main Street. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
or we can ask wikipedia to lock the article. this is ridiculous. one lame guy? On 4/30/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Den 30.04.2007 kl. 10:51 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]rupert%40fatgirlinohio.org : At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Or like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. Old, bitter and generally unwilling until someone shoots your best friend dead and puts his body on display on Main Street. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Oakland Raiders Spy Caught!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnlHJ9mb8A http://nfldraftmag.blogspot.com - The NFL held its annual NFL Draft Media Luncheon at Chelsea Piers on Thursday, April 26th. As part of the process of interviews and photo-ops, the players -- JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, and Gaines Adams went outside -- well, except Peterson, who stayed in doors for some reason. While this is supposed to be a function where the media can point their cameras at these future stars, one person who I know but will not name with the Oakland Raiders felt it necessary to point his Leica video-camera at me. Twice. The first time he did it was at the Russell interview. All of the cameras are pointed at JaMarcus, except his. I happen to have a good feel for this, so I spotted him and was on alert. I was determined to catch him. The second time he did it was outside and I used my camcorder to bait him and catch him red-handed (or should I say Silver-and-Black handed?) filming me instead of the players!! It's in the video. Look for yourself!! Once the Raiders guy sees me point back at him, he walks off like a scared rabbit. It was one of the craziest events I've ever seen in my life. Why me? This places me in a category that's rare -- people spied on by the Oakland Raiders. It reminds me of those stories of the late New York Jets Coach Weeb Eubank who was once rumored to have screamed at a light bulb Al Davis, I know you're up there! It caused me to recall when my friend Sports Illustrated writer Michael Silver was banned from Oakland training camp for writing critical articles about the organization. For what reason, I don't know. It could be linked to my open criticism of their habit of running to court to sue either the NFL or Oakland as a way of raising revenue. But they're a big firm and such opinions are mine to have, regardless of whether the Raiders like them or not. The Raiders don't understand that it's impossible to control a message in today's society -- let the lesson begin. They don't know what the alternative course of actions are. I do. But I'm pretty tired of this and other actions by the organization with respect to me to this date. As far as I'm concerned the organization should have given me a medal for almost bringing the 2005 Super Bowl to Oakland, in the face of their lawsuits against both the City of Oakland and the NFL. Moreover, the 2005 Super Bowl would have made the Raiders the host team, and the controller of 10,000 tickets with a street value of around $3 million. See: http://www.sportsbusinesssims.com/super.bowl.oakland.zennie.abraham.htm I put Oakland on the map as a possible Super Bowl host city, nearly give the organization a handsome reward in the process, and this is the thanks I get? Geez! Fine.. here's my response video. Now leave me alone. I got ya red handed, now please find better things to do. Thanks! Zennie Abraham (less)
Re: [videoblogging] Oakland Raiders Spy Caught!
Dude, They're just fucking with you to make you scared. Amy Trask (i just googled) is the Raiders' lawyer and their boss's right hand man. You've been uncomplimentary about him in that article you linked to - saying that he's the reason Oakland didn't get Superbowl - so it seems they're just trying to make you worried, feel that you're being watched, feel that you better watch what you say because you'll get to meet their lawyer. If you think this is right, then Fuck them. Get angry. If you know this guy's name, use it. He's involved in low level dirty tricks to intimidate a member of the media. Write about it. Vlog about it. Be careful not to give them the opportunity to sue you, but make them realise this kind of shit is counterproductive and will bring them bad publicity. You have a voice in a way that most people subject to this kind of bullying do not. USE IT. This is the kind of evil shit that citizen journalists will have to face more and more as they write and record things independently. They must use their tools to fight back, or the bad guys win. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 10:39, thisiswar3005 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnlHJ9mb8A http://nfldraftmag.blogspot.com - The NFL held its annual NFL Draft Media Luncheon at Chelsea Piers on Thursday, April 26th. As part of the process of interviews and photo-ops, the players -- JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, and Gaines Adams went outside -- well, except Peterson, who stayed in doors for some reason. While this is supposed to be a function where the media can point their cameras at these future stars, one person who I know but will not name with the Oakland Raiders felt it necessary to point his Leica video-camera at me. Twice. The first time he did it was at the Russell interview. All of the cameras are pointed at JaMarcus, except his. I happen to have a good feel for this, so I spotted him and was on alert. I was determined to catch him. The second time he did it was outside and I used my camcorder to bait him and catch him red-handed (or should I say Silver-and-Black handed?) filming me instead of the players!! It's in the video. Look for yourself!! Once the Raiders guy sees me point back at him, he walks off like a scared rabbit. It was one of the craziest events I've ever seen in my life. Why me? This places me in a category that's rare -- people spied on by the Oakland Raiders. It reminds me of those stories of the late New York Jets Coach Weeb Eubank who was once rumored to have screamed at a light bulb Al Davis, I know you're up there! It caused me to recall when my friend Sports Illustrated writer Michael Silver was banned from Oakland training camp for writing critical articles about the organization. For what reason, I don't know. It could be linked to my open criticism of their habit of running to court to sue either the NFL or Oakland as a way of raising revenue. But they're a big firm and such opinions are mine to have, regardless of whether the Raiders like them or not. The Raiders don't understand that it's impossible to control a message in today's society -- let the lesson begin. They don't know what the alternative course of actions are. I do. But I'm pretty tired of this and other actions by the organization with respect to me to this date. As far as I'm concerned the organization should have given me a medal for almost bringing the 2005 Super Bowl to Oakland, in the face of their lawsuits against both the City of Oakland and the NFL. Moreover, the 2005 Super Bowl would have made the Raiders the host team, and the controller of 10,000 tickets with a street value of around $3 million. See: http://www.sportsbusinesssims.com/super.bowl.oakland.zennie.abraham.htm I put Oakland on the map as a possible Super Bowl host city, nearly give the organization a handsome reward in the process, and this is the thanks I get? Geez! Fine.. here's my response video. Now leave me alone. I got ya red handed, now please find better things to do. Thanks! Zennie Abraham (less) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
:) funny man As long as we're not being like the townsfolk in Bad Day at Black Rock. Irina, I know what you mean, but locking up the article would be a loss, too. better to try and let it stay open and persuade this Patrick Delongchamp idiot to stop wrecking it. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 10:05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Den 30.04.2007 kl. 10:51 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Or like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. Old, bitter and generally unwilling until someone shoots your best friend dead and puts his body on display on Main Street. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Can we not ask to have this particular troll blocked from dicking with the article? Alternatively, if we - as a group - monitor and replace the proper text with enthusiasm, perhaps we can wear him down. Jan On 4/30/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) funny man As long as we're not being like the townsfolk in Bad Day at Black Rock. Irina, I know what you mean, but locking up the article would be a loss, too. better to try and let it stay open and persuade this Patrick Delongchamp idiot to stop wrecking it. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 10:05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: Den 30.04.2007 kl. 10:51 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Or like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven. Old, bitter and generally unwilling until someone shoots your best friend dead and puts his body on display on Main Street. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. Jan On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
around the 30/4/07 Jan McLaughlin mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry that: I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. have done so, I guess if enough of us do this then it either becomes some weird escalated battle or he gives in? -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
RE: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
This is another example why I, and a growing number of people (citation needed), don't turn to Wikipedia for information (NPOV). You never know what is going to be written at any given time. And, it's far too easy for one person with an agenda and too much time on their hands to keep messing with an article to the point where many people get caught up in trying to correct it. To me Wikipedia is like some arcane religion full of obscure terms, esoteric texts and a blind obedience to the rules. Some of the discussion pages, and the one for Vlog is a perfect example (weasel words), remind me of the arguments about how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Well, they don't really remind me. I wasn't there; I'm not that old! Anyways, I have this image of crotchety old men pointing their gnarled fingers at dusty old books while arguing about whether or not the Fifth Book of Obfuscation requires a period (full stop for you British blokes) to fall inside or outside of a closing quote. All the best, Tom (who stopped editing on Wikipedia years ago) aka Irish Hermit _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan McLaughlin Sent: Sunday, 29 April, 2007 9:25 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog .org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress. http://fauxpress.blogspot.com blogspot.com http://twitter. http://twitter.com/fauxpress com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Yeah, what if he's the Wikipedia version of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, and we're the Crazy 88? Bring it on. Sign up to Watch the Vlog definition article if you can, and use your own judgement to see whether the changes you see are right, whoever makes them. I can see how you could get tired of it, Tom, but too many people - particularly media people - will continue use Wikipedia as a starting point, and it's important that vlogging is correctly represented there, not repeatedly vandalised by some random fool. If we keep up an honest watch of it, sooner of later he'll want to find somewhere else to play. I added a little something about the definition of vlogging, with reference to Winer, Cho, YouTube. I think it's reasonably on track, but I've never edited Wikipedia before, only consumed in large quantities. Don't mind it being changed/removed by rational people, of course. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 12:15, Adrian Miles wrote: around the 30/4/07 Jan McLaughlin mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry that: I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. have done so, I guess if enough of us do this then it either becomes some weird escalated battle or he gives in? -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
On Apr 30, 2007, at 9:59 am, Rupert wrote: I added a little something about the definition of vlogging, with reference to Winer, Cho, YouTube. I think it's reasonably on track, but I've never edited Wikipedia before, only consumed in large quantities. Don't mind it being changed/removed by rational people, of course. Rupert I think it's weird to read this addition, including one comment by one person, which a whole community immediately took issue with, to the Wikipedia entry as if its a trend and a thing to watch. Putting this in Wikipedia will only perpetuate an idea that I don't think 99% of us agree with or want to see perpetuated! Please take this out. Jen Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jensimmons.com http://milkweedmediadesign.com 267-235-6967 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
psss I added some YouTube info in the history timeline. YouTube is the biggest thing to happen to videoblogging ever ever ever ever. There should be a whole section on it, but a YouTuber should write it, not me. On 4/30/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've signed up, and I'll try to watch it again. There was a time, when I was so broken hearted, love wasn't much of a friend of mine. The tables have turned, yeah, cause me and them ways have parted, that kind of love was the killin' kind. Sorry, I wrote there was a time and Aerosmith just started spewing out all over the place. Anyhow, the entry has been the heart of some virile dispute in the past. I don't think the collective we should be policing it to ensure it's homogenous with this group, but I do think we should all edit add/subtract as we see fit, whenever we desire. For example, right now I'm going to remove the V tech stuff. Not really vlogging-related. Also going to remove the Vloggies reference, as that was an awards show (self-congratulatory bs is not covered in the charter) sponsored by a company, and not directly related to the definition of videoblogging by any means. ps I think Irina et al are good peoples, but I have serious concerns with the idea of an awards show for videoblogging. They're pretentious and pointless, and belong on the wall of real estate offices, as Seinfeld said earlier this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 pss There's only 2 mentions of YouTube in the entire entry, and they are in passing. Pretty insular. On 4/30/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, what if he's the Wikipedia version of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, and we're the Crazy 88? Bring it on. Sign up to Watch the Vlog definition article if you can, and use your own judgement to see whether the changes you see are right, whoever makes them. I can see how you could get tired of it, Tom, but too many people - particularly media people - will continue use Wikipedia as a starting point, and it's important that vlogging is correctly represented there, not repeatedly vandalised by some random fool. If we keep up an honest watch of it, sooner of later he'll want to find somewhere else to play. I added a little something about the definition of vlogging, with reference to Winer, Cho, YouTube. I think it's reasonably on track, but I've never edited Wikipedia before, only consumed in large quantities. Don't mind it being changed/removed by rational people, of course. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 12:15, Adrian Miles wrote: around the 30/4/07 Jan McLaughlin mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry that: I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. have done so, I guess if enough of us do this then it either becomes some weird escalated battle or he gives in? -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
I've signed up, and I'll try to watch it again. There was a time, when I was so broken hearted, love wasn't much of a friend of mine. The tables have turned, yeah, cause me and them ways have parted, that kind of love was the killin' kind. Sorry, I wrote there was a time and Aerosmith just started spewing out all over the place. Anyhow, the entry has been the heart of some virile dispute in the past. I don't think the collective we should be policing it to ensure it's homogenous with this group, but I do think we should all edit add/subtract as we see fit, whenever we desire. For example, right now I'm going to remove the V tech stuff. Not really vlogging-related. Also going to remove the Vloggies reference, as that was an awards show (self-congratulatory bs is not covered in the charter) sponsored by a company, and not directly related to the definition of videoblogging by any means. ps I think Irina et al are good peoples, but I have serious concerns with the idea of an awards show for videoblogging. They're pretentious and pointless, and belong on the wall of real estate offices, as Seinfeld said earlier this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 pss There's only 2 mentions of YouTube in the entire entry, and they are in passing. Pretty insular. On 4/30/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, what if he's the Wikipedia version of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, and we're the Crazy 88? Bring it on. Sign up to Watch the Vlog definition article if you can, and use your own judgement to see whether the changes you see are right, whoever makes them. I can see how you could get tired of it, Tom, but too many people - particularly media people - will continue use Wikipedia as a starting point, and it's important that vlogging is correctly represented there, not repeatedly vandalised by some random fool. If we keep up an honest watch of it, sooner of later he'll want to find somewhere else to play. I added a little something about the definition of vlogging, with reference to Winer, Cho, YouTube. I think it's reasonably on track, but I've never edited Wikipedia before, only consumed in large quantities. Don't mind it being changed/removed by rational people, of course. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 12:15, Adrian Miles wrote: around the 30/4/07 Jan McLaughlin mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry that: I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. have done so, I guess if enough of us do this then it either becomes some weird escalated battle or he gives in? -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: new apple iTune spec from FCP
A contact at Apple sent me a .setting file that is apparently for use with Compressor and will produce H.264, 640x480, albeit with a 1500kbps bitrate (maybe you can tweak it). I can't use it, cos I don't have Final Cut/Compressor, but I've sent it to Eric at gardenfork for him to try. Could someone please let me know if there's a files area on the Yahoo group page where it can be posted? Waz from Crash Test Kitchen --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, would some of you who use FCP and Compressor post here or send a screenshot of your settings for achieving the new appleTV/ iTunes spec? i'm still having problems and would appreciate not having to re-invent the wheel. thanks, eric . http://gardenfork.tv
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Yeah, you and Jen are right about the Vtech stuff. thanks for taking it out. It arose from me wanting to put in more about YouTube and the increasingly blurred perception of what vlogging is, but not knowing where to start. The first line of the entry, I felt, excluded the idea and reality of vlogging as I imagine it's perceived by a lot of people and was limited to the point of being misleading to a newcomer. Anyway, to be discussed there, not here. Agreed that YouTube needs a lot more representation there. Hopefully some happy Vlogging YouTuber will pitch in. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 16:26, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage wrote: I've signed up, and I'll try to watch it again. There was a time, when I was so broken hearted, love wasn't much of a friend of mine. The tables have turned, yeah, cause me and them ways have parted, that kind of love was the killin' kind. Sorry, I wrote there was a time and Aerosmith just started spewing out all over the place. Anyhow, the entry has been the heart of some virile dispute in the past. I don't think the collective we should be policing it to ensure it's homogenous with this group, but I do think we should all edit add/ subtract as we see fit, whenever we desire. For example, right now I'm going to remove the V tech stuff. Not really vlogging-related. Also going to remove the Vloggies reference, as that was an awards show (self-congratulatory bs is not covered in the charter) sponsored by a company, and not directly related to the definition of videoblogging by any means. ps I think Irina et al are good peoples, but I have serious concerns with the idea of an awards show for videoblogging. They're pretentious and pointless, and belong on the wall of real estate offices, as Seinfeld said earlier this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 pss There's only 2 mentions of YouTube in the entire entry, and they are in passing. Pretty insular. On 4/30/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, what if he's the Wikipedia version of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, and we're the Crazy 88? Bring it on. Sign up to Watch the Vlog definition article if you can, and use your own judgement to see whether the changes you see are right, whoever makes them. I can see how you could get tired of it, Tom, but too many people - particularly media people - will continue use Wikipedia as a starting point, and it's important that vlogging is correctly represented there, not repeatedly vandalised by some random fool. If we keep up an honest watch of it, sooner of later he'll want to find somewhere else to play. I added a little something about the definition of vlogging, with reference to Winer, Cho, YouTube. I think it's reasonably on track, but I've never edited Wikipedia before, only consumed in large quantities. Don't mind it being changed/removed by rational people, of course. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 12:15, Adrian Miles wrote: around the 30/4/07 Jan McLaughlin mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry that: I just reinstated MMeiser's previous version. Make a minor edit and sign up to watch the page. have done so, I guess if enough of us do this then it either becomes some weird escalated battle or he gives in? -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] SplashCast -- Letter to Podcasting/Vlogging Communities
Dear Podcasters/Vloggers: Hi, I'm Alex Williams, director of community development at SplashCast http://www.splashcastmedia.com/ . I am also the founder of the Podcast Hotel http://www.podcasthotel.com/ , a small event you may have heard of that we just did in San Francisco. SplashCast is launching a new feature to its product this week called MyPodcastNetwork http://www.splashcastmedia.com/mypodcastnetwork that allows the video or audio enclosures in any RSS feed to be displayed within a SplashCast player on any web page. This will make every page on the web an avenue for live distribution of multiple shows, meaning that any web page could display the most recent episodes of any audio or video program. Additionally, the new feature allows people make their own personal channels that they can display on their personal start page or aggregator of choice. The result is a new way for podcasters to distribute their shows. It is important for us that we keep an open dialogue with podcasters and vloggers about the features we are adding and how the service will be improved in the future for any podcaster, be they producing audio or video programs. We have created a Podcast FAQ http://splashcastmedia.com/podcasterfaq/ , which we hope will answer the questions you may have about how the SplashCast service will work. We have several new features that will be added, which are addressed in the FAQ. We hope to be ongoing participants in the podcasting and vlogging communities so please let us know what you think of the product. It's a work in progress that can improve based on community feedback. Thank you! Alex Williams Director of Community Development SplashCast 503-473-6237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marshall Kirkpatrick Director of Content SplashCast 503-703-1815 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
found it ... if we undo his undo should we mark it as Vandalism (defined as change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia) ... or what? On 4/30/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Good work. I say don't mark it vandalism. Don't give him the satisfaction of getting into long discussions, either - perhaps he's been loving the attention he's been getting from Meiser, and we need to make it boring for him. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 18:37, David Meade wrote: found it ... if we undo his undo should we mark it as Vandalism (defined as change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia) ... or what? On 4/30/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Custom Creative Commons videos
A bunch of videos made during SuperHappyVlogHouse SF are now listed on the CC wiki: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking_work download and use as appropriate. The Creative Commons folks also encourage videobloggers to make their own...and list them here. anything goes. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: SplashCast -- Letter to Podcasting/Vlogging Communities
Thanks, Markus! Good to be back. I am starting my own videoblog through SplhasCast. I will be looking for wisdom here on the videoblogging list! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Alex! Good to see you on the list again. For those who don't recall, Alex was the guy who hooked us up with the Open University and set up the first videoblogging video conferences back in 2005. (I still remember that one where Canter called Calcanis a facsist) Thanks again for setting those up Alex. Regards, Markus ahwfour_1027 wrote: Dear Podcasters/Vloggers : Hi, I'm Alex Williams, director of community development at SplashCast http://www.splashca stmedia.com/ http://www.splashcastmedia.com/ . I am also the founder of the Podcast Hotel http://www.podcasth otel.com/ http://www.podcasthotel.com/ , a small event you may have heard of that we just did in San Francisco. -- Markus Sandy http://feeds.feedburner.com/apperceptions http://feeds.feedburner.com/digitaldojo http://feeds.feedburner.com/havemoneywillvlog http://feeds.feedburner.com/spinflow [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Videos explaining Creative Commons
This weekend I've been reading Lawrence Lessig's book Free Culture all about creativity and copyright so perfect timing for the link. :) Anybody else read this book? What do you think? I'm finding it really interesting, very well written, great background knowledge for anyone creating media. http://www.free-culture.cc/ Lessig's book is good. is this the one where he explains how he lost the Supreme Court case on copyright? he explains the mistakes he made well. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
Re: [videoblogging] SplashCast -- Letter to Podcasting/Vlogging Communities
SplashCast is launching a new feature to its product this week called MyPodcastNetwork http://www.splashcastmedia.com/mypodcastnetwork that allows the video or audio enclosures in any RSS feed to be displayed within a SplashCast player on any web page. This will make every page on the web an avenue for live distribution of multiple shows, meaning that any web page could display the most recent episodes of any audio or video program. Additionally, the new feature allows people make their own personal channels that they can display on their personal start page or aggregator of choice. The result is a new way for podcasters to distribute their shows. It is important for us that we keep an open dialogue with podcasters and vloggers about the features we are adding and how the service will be improved in the future for any podcaster, be they producing audio or video programs. We have created a Podcast FAQ http://splashcastmedia.com/podcasterfaq/ , which we hope will answer the questions you may have about how the SplashCast service will work. We have several new features that will be added, which are addressed in the FAQ. hey alex-- a big question i dont see on your FAQ is your view of Creative Commons. how will you help your users respect these licenses that many videobloggers are putting into their videos? If I understand Splashcast correctly...here would be my worry. a user goes to your site and creates a channel. they choose a bunch of videos that they didnt make. This channel can then be displayed on their site as a Streaming video widget. The user then puts advertising all over and around the videos. No money, attribution, or anything is shared with the original creators even if there are clear CC licenses defining the use. I know Magnify.net is already doing thisand seems to cut the creators out of the equation. how will Splashcast handle this situation, if ive described it correctly. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: new apple iTune spec from FCP
Hi Waz, If you email it to me I can put it up on my server for all to get. Cheers, Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wazman_au [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A contact at Apple sent me a .setting file that is apparently for use with Compressor and will produce H.264, 640x480, albeit with a 1500kbps bitrate (maybe you can tweak it). I can't use it, cos I don't have Final Cut/Compressor, but I've sent it to Eric at gardenfork for him to try. Could someone please let me know if there's a files area on the Yahoo group page where it can be posted? Waz from Crash Test Kitchen --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow eric@ wrote: Hi Everyone, would some of you who use FCP and Compressor post here or send a screenshot of your settings for achieving the new appleTV/ iTunes spec? i'm still having problems and would appreciate not having to re-invent the wheel. thanks, eric . http://gardenfork.tv
[videoblogging] BikiniZero.com on Dragons Den
Well some very good news in the BikiniZero World. I had just gotten a call from the producer to go on the CBC television show called The Dragons Den. The show was the #1 show in Canada last year. The show is basically where you pitch your product or idea to a group of hard-ass VC's, if they like your idea they invest in your product, and come on as an advisor/mentor. The VC's are all millionaire's and are obviously interested in world domination. Should make for good TV, and good PR for BikiniZero. I will also be pitching the other side of BikiniZero, our new show in development BeefcakeNews.com Home Cooked Tech for Women... I will be creating a vblog on the bikinizero site to record the experience. Should be really fun! Here is the link to the Dragon's Den http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/dragons.html There are also some videos on youtube from last season. Thanx for listening! Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com
[videoblogging] Re: new apple iTune spec from FCP
Taylor, Eric at Gardenfork is going to give it a try ... and on second thoughts it might be best if we wait before propagating something that potentially doesn't work. Anyone else who wants this settings file can contact me directly; there is an email link at our site. http://www.crashtestkitchen.com Waz --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmanimationweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Waz, If you email it to me I can put it up on my server for all to get. Cheers, Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wazman_au elefantman@ wrote: A contact at Apple sent me a .setting file that is apparently for use with Compressor and will produce H.264, 640x480, albeit with a 1500kbps bitrate (maybe you can tweak it). I can't use it, cos I don't have Final Cut/Compressor, but I've sent it to Eric at gardenfork for him to try. Could someone please let me know if there's a files area on the Yahoo group page where it can be posted? Waz from Crash Test Kitchen --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow eric@ wrote: Hi Everyone, would some of you who use FCP and Compressor post here or send a screenshot of your settings for achieving the new appleTV/ iTunes spec? i'm still having problems and would appreciate not having to re-invent the wheel. thanks, eric . http://gardenfork.tv
Re: [videoblogging] BikiniZero.com on Dragons Den
Nice one! We have a UK version of Dragon's Den. It's great for publicity, but in the business press you read nothing but sob stories from people who have given away 50% of their business to receive absolutely no support - sometimes not even had the contract signed. BUT - it *is* fantastic publicity. The people who do seem to do well are those who the Dragons like a lot, but who turn down their offers on the grounds that they want too much of the company (typically 50% for £100k). Your show is classic UK Dragons Den fare - bit of sex, bit of tech, something wacky but clever. You can bet they'll be really hot on your numbers, though. They'll try to murder you on revenue, they don't accept any secrets and it's all on national TV... Good luck! Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 20:34, filmanimationweb wrote: Well some very good news in the BikiniZero World. I had just gotten a call from the producer to go on the CBC television show called The Dragons Den. The show was the #1 show in Canada last year. The show is basically where you pitch your product or idea to a group of hard-ass VC's, if they like your idea they invest in your product, and come on as an advisor/mentor. The VC's are all millionaire's and are obviously interested in world domination. Should make for good TV, and good PR for BikiniZero. I will also be pitching the other side of BikiniZero, our new show in development BeefcakeNews.com Home Cooked Tech for Women... I will be creating a vblog on the bikinizero site to record the experience. Should be really fun! Here is the link to the Dragon's Den http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/dragons.html There are also some videos on youtube from last season. Thanx for listening! Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] compressor settings from apple
i've loaded Waz's settings from apple and they appear in the compressor settings. i'll run a test tonite. if anyone wants the file, send me an email and i will send it along. eric AT gardenfork.tv
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Yeah, how you revert to a previous version? I don't immediately see that. cheryl www.hummingcrow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave
[videoblogging] Scaling Blip Show Player...
So I have my blip player set up on one of our sites: http:// pawsitivevybe.com . I set the scale to a size that would fit within the module that it is embedded in, but the video and guide do not scale with the player. What's up with that? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: BikiniZero.com on Dragons Den
Rupert, Thanx for the support, I'm definitely not interested in the crazy deals the Dragons offer, but will be good for the BZ site, and a hell of a learning experience. I am working on my pitch so I will be ready for the assault. I will post up a video of it so I can be heckled ;) Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice one! We have a UK version of Dragon's Den. It's great for publicity, but in the business press you read nothing but sob stories from people who have given away 50% of their business to receive absolutely no support - sometimes not even had the contract signed. BUT - it *is* fantastic publicity. The people who do seem to do well are those who the Dragons like a lot, but who turn down their offers on the grounds that they want too much of the company (typically 50% for £100k). Your show is classic UK Dragons Den fare - bit of sex, bit of tech, something wacky but clever. You can bet they'll be really hot on your numbers, though. They'll try to murder you on revenue, they don't accept any secrets and it's all on national TV... Good luck! Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 20:34, filmanimationweb wrote: Well some very good news in the BikiniZero World. I had just gotten a call from the producer to go on the CBC television show called The Dragons Den. The show was the #1 show in Canada last year. The show is basically where you pitch your product or idea to a group of hard-ass VC's, if they like your idea they invest in your product, and come on as an advisor/mentor. The VC's are all millionaire's and are obviously interested in world domination. Should make for good TV, and good PR for BikiniZero. I will also be pitching the other side of BikiniZero, our new show in development BeefcakeNews.com Home Cooked Tech for Women... I will be creating a vblog on the bikinizero site to record the experience. Should be really fun! Here is the link to the Dragon's Den http://www.cbc.ca/dragonsden/dragons.html There are also some videos on youtube from last season. Thanx for listening! Taylor Moore www.bikinizero.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] HD Cams and Podcasting Distribution
A couple of interesting items from Podcasting News: Sony releasing three new models of full HD cameras from $1000 - $1400 (anyone heard anything about these?): http://www.podcastingnews.com/2007/04/26/sony-handycam-hd/ Podshow Podcasters Lose Satellite Audience (this is a bummer): http://www.podcastingnews.com/2007/04/30/podshow-sirius/
[videoblogging] Pixelodeon attendees
I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
RE: [videoblogging] Scaling Blip Show Player...
Hey Ron, Would you mind bringing this up on blip-users or with an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We try to avoid doing straight user support on the videoblogging group. That said, the guide isn't designed to scale but the video absolutely should :) -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:46 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Scaling Blip Show Player... So I have my blip player set up on one of our sites: http:// pawsitivevybe.com . I set the scale to a size that would fit within the module that it is embedded in, but the video and guide do not scale with the player. What's up with that? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
It's brilliant, isn't it - the idiocy of an online resource which is edited by someone who says 'let's find a better source - blog sources are frowned on', in response to me linking to a Search page of this Group, which lists all the conversation around What is vlogging? So we have to find MSM sources for that? Keep going. We've only just begun. We're going to have to be quite robust. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 21:55, Jan McLaughlin wrote: - Go to the previous version you wish to reinstate - Edit it - Copy the code - Return to the original page - Edit it - Paste code :) XO, Jan On 4/30/07, Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, how you revert to a previous version? I don't immediately see that. cheryl www.hummingcrow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Let me get this straight. One disgruntled ex-videoblogger is causing all this strife over the wiki posting for this? One person?? Wow. Just...wow. If the powers that be at Wikipedia arent willing to help in this, then what's the point in banging heads against a wall? It's the proverbial definition of insanity by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's brilliant, isn't it - the idiocy of an online resource which is edited by someone who says 'let's find a better source - blog sources are frowned on', in response to me linking to a Search page of this Group, which lists all the conversation around What is vlogging? So we have to find MSM sources for that? Keep going. We've only just begun. We're going to have to be quite robust. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 21:55, Jan McLaughlin wrote: - Go to the previous version you wish to reinstate - Edit it - Copy the code - Return to the original page - Edit it - Paste code :) XO, Jan On 4/30/07, Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, how you revert to a previous version? I don't immediately see that. cheryl www.hummingcrow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: will law - vloggercon 2006.
Mark - I'm looking for his details for you now- if I can find them I will let you know, last I heard he was working with these guys: http://www.hostcast.com/website/index.htm In the meantime this raises an interesting question. I attended tho 06 vloggercon and I was impressed with the ability to comment within a video. I am currently in the process of developing a service to serve video, but we scrapped the plans to implement this feature as we felt the screen size was too limiting, and most vloggers use the video in conjunction with a blogging tool such as word press - making the video commenting sort of redundant. The pros of having commenting within the context of the video is that the video would be able to accept comments no matter where it was embedded, and the comments would always be with it... thoughts? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mark_raheja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couldn't easily track down will law's contact details, so i figure i'll just post this question here. at vloggercon 2006, will spoke about embedding [video] comments into a flash video file. will/group: what was the referenced app/software? can i review that demo again somewhere? please thanks! -M t: 416.451.3640 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mark_raheja
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Yeah. It's the power of the internet that one person can cause so much trouble. I am hesitant about invoking censorship from above. The thing about this guy is that he's using the NPOV 'rules' of Wikipedia to do what he's doing, so there's a chance that they might even side with him, or make the whole thing worse by upping the aggro. I still think it's better to take the community route first. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 22:38, David Howell wrote: Let me get this straight. One disgruntled ex-videoblogger is causing all this strife over the wiki posting for this? One person?? Wow. Just...wow. If the powers that be at Wikipedia arent willing to help in this, then what's the point in banging heads against a wall? It's the proverbial definition of insanity by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's brilliant, isn't it - the idiocy of an online resource which is edited by someone who says 'let's find a better source - blog sources are frowned on', in response to me linking to a Search page of this Group, which lists all the conversation around What is vlogging? So we have to find MSM sources for that? Keep going. We've only just begun. We're going to have to be quite robust. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 21:55, Jan McLaughlin wrote: - Go to the previous version you wish to reinstate - Edit it - Copy the code - Return to the original page - Edit it - Paste code :) XO, Jan On 4/30/07, Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, how you revert to a previous version? I don't immediately see that. cheryl www.hummingcrow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Hey everyone, I seem to be the topic of conversation today. I'm going to ignore the negative messages because I think it's great that there's renewed interest in the article. The great thing about wikipedia is everyone can edit it. Thereâs one catch though, itâs an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. In regards to the vlog article, this means that everything we put into it has to be from a reliable source like a news article. (i.e. not blogs) Thereâs already sourced content contributed by Steve Garfield, Michael Meiser and myself in the article and I invite everyone else to contribute. Patrick D p.s. Sorry if I posted this twice. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
The power of the internet does not give one person omnipotent power over all. Especially under the directives of the Wikipedia which is community based. Maybe just create a wiki for ourselves and then link to it within the sparsely populated Wikipedia wiki? No? David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. It's the power of the internet that one person can cause so much trouble. I am hesitant about invoking censorship from above. The thing about this guy is that he's using the NPOV 'rules' of Wikipedia to do what he's doing, so there's a chance that they might even side with him, or make the whole thing worse by upping the aggro. I still think it's better to take the community route first. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 22:38, David Howell wrote: Let me get this straight. One disgruntled ex-videoblogger is causing all this strife over the wiki posting for this? One person?? Wow. Just...wow. If the powers that be at Wikipedia arent willing to help in this, then what's the point in banging heads against a wall? It's the proverbial definition of insanity by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: It's brilliant, isn't it - the idiocy of an online resource which is edited by someone who says 'let's find a better source - blog sources are frowned on', in response to me linking to a Search page of this Group, which lists all the conversation around What is vlogging? So we have to find MSM sources for that? Keep going. We've only just begun. We're going to have to be quite robust. Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 21:55, Jan McLaughlin wrote: - Go to the previous version you wish to reinstate - Edit it - Copy the code - Return to the original page - Edit it - Paste code :) XO, Jan On 4/30/07, Cheryl cheryl.colan@ wrote: Yeah, how you revert to a previous version? I don't immediately see that. cheryl www.hummingcrow.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: wow he's already undone it all ... how does one undo his undo? (I'm all signed up and ready to fight the good fight) :-) - Dave Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Den 30.04.2007 kl. 23:28 skrev Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's brilliant, isn't it - the idiocy of an online resource which is edited by someone who says 'let's find a better source - blog sources are frowned on', in response to me linking to a Search page of this Group, which lists all the conversation around What is vlogging? So we have to find MSM sources for that? Which is total BS. Using tv, newspapers to track language use made sense back when those were the only records of daily use, and it still makes sense in many cases today. However, for niche groups it makes little sense to rely on mainstream sources for tracking language use - *especially* since the members of the niche group publish so many words (spoken and written). That's why Wikipedia-nazis who blindly follow policy without thinking are bad for the world. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: will law - vloggercon 2006.
Have you checked out Viddler? http://viddler.com Video commenting is really elegantly done over there. Schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://hatfactory.net http://winkshow.com On 4/30/07, nathank000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark - I'm looking for his details for you now- if I can find them I will let you know, last I heard he was working with these guys: http://www.hostcast.com/website/index.htm In the meantime this raises an interesting question. I attended tho 06 vloggercon and I was impressed with the ability to comment within a video. I am currently in the process of developing a service to serve video, but we scrapped the plans to implement this feature as we felt the screen size was too limiting, and most vloggers use the video in conjunction with a blogging tool such as word press - making the video commenting sort of redundant. The pros of having commenting within the context of the video is that the video would be able to accept comments no matter where it was embedded, and the comments would always be with it... thoughts? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, mark_raheja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couldn't easily track down will law's contact details, so i figure i'll just post this question here. at vloggercon 2006, will spoke about embedding [video] comments into a flash video file. will/group: what was the referenced app/software? can i review that demo again somewhere? please thanks! -M t: 416.451.3640 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: mark_raheja [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Den 01.05.2007 kl. 00:08 skrev pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In regards to the vlog article, this means that everything we put into it has to be from a reliable source like a news article. (i.e. not blogs) You do realize that some blogs are written by people who are Certifiably Smart on a given topic (including but not limited to those with academic careers). Those blogs provide much better citations than a wire story written by the intern... as any good encyclopedia editor would know. -- Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen URL: http://www.solitude.dk/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
What credentials do you actually have in deciding what should and what should not be posted in the Vlog entry in the Wikipedia? Please cite for us those references you have. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I seem to be the topic of conversation today. I'm going to ignore the negative messages because I think it's great that there's renewed interest in the article. The great thing about wikipedia is everyone can edit it. Thereâs one catch though, itâs an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. In regards to the vlog article, this means that everything we put into it has to be from a reliable source like a news article. (i.e. not blogs) Thereâs already sourced content contributed by Steve Garfield, Michael Meiser and myself in the article and I invite everyone else to contribute. Patrick D p.s. Sorry if I posted this twice. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
limiting all reference to a new media medium to those coming from mainstream media is insane and shows a near complete ignorance of the topic trying to be described ... as such I suggest you stop editing the page. On 4/30/07, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I seem to be the topic of conversation today. I'm going to ignore the negative messages because I think it's great that there's renewed interest in the article. The great thing about wikipedia is everyone can edit it. There’s one catch though, it’s an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. In regards to the vlog article, this means that everything we put into it has to be from a reliable source like a news article. (i.e. not blogs) There’s already sourced content contributed by Steve Garfield, Michael Meiser and myself in the article and I invite everyone else to contribute. Patrick D p.s. Sorry if I posted this twice. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
I'm just an Wikipedian. (a regular joe that likes wikipedia) You can read about Wikipedia policies and guidelines (which are decided by editors like you and me) in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_Ruleset When I first started contributing to Wikipedia, one of the things that I found most surprising and hard to accept was this quote at the top of one of Wikipedia's core content policies: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. It seems odd but it's interesting to read about why a policy like that might be a good thing. I find that particular policy super interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability and this one too! It defines a reliable source and talks about why certain sources are considered reliable and why limiting editors to those sources will make a better article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources It's also important in Wikipedia to always assume good faith in other editors which is what I've had to try very hard to do in these last couple of emails. (because no matter how upset your emails may seem, i know (or assume) that you want the best for the vlog wiki article and I keep that in mind when replying) But let's not waste any more energy here. If you really feel passionate about the article, go edit it! Be Bold! Use the Discussion page to discuss what you like, what you don't like. Great things are already happening. pd --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What credentials do you actually have in deciding what should and what should not be posted in the Vlog entry in the Wikipedia? Please cite for us those references you have. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, pdelongchamp pdelongchamp@ wrote: Hey everyone, I seem to be the topic of conversation today. I'm going to ignore the negative messages because I think it's great that there's renewed interest in the article. The great thing about wikipedia is everyone can edit it. Thereâs one catch though, itâs an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. In regards to the vlog article, this means that everything we put into it has to be from a reliable source like a news article. (i.e. not blogs) Thereâs already sourced content contributed by Steve Garfield, Michael Meiser and myself in the article and I invite everyone else to contribute. Patrick D p.s. Sorry if I posted this twice. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] WP Theme question
I found a theme I liked and saved to my hard drive. I also have a theme viewer account. I tried uploading the theme, but how do I install it? It must be something simple... a. Peace! www.myurbanreport.com (coming soon!)
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Patrick, Thanks for replying here. The thing that I'm not happy with - and that Mike Meiser's not happy with - and Verdi, and Jan, and, and, and... is your destruction of content that has been crafted by many people with considerable care. You haven't just marked it as 'unverified', or even looked for the sources that I've found - you've deleted it again and again, and reconstructed the entry as your own. It *is* possible to mark something as unverified, and therefore potentially untrustworthy without deleting it. In fact, in a niche subject on which there has been very little main stream analysis, I would say that this is your responsibility, otherwise you are actually impeding the aggregation of knowledge on that subject. In a larger entry, where there is more attention, there's a more efficient information market at work. An entry like this is a very *inefficient* market, where even those actively involved in the community are unaware of what's going on, and so needs to be handled more sensitively to avoid undue influence from any one party. You say that 'Great things are already happening' as a result of this discussion. This is in spite of - not because of - your efforts. It's 1.30am. I am ill, and I have wasted my entire evening reinstating what I consider valuable from previous versions (only those from the last week, - never mind what must have been lost in the past) and finding Mainstream Media sources for much of the content that you've previously deleted. I dug up these sources solely in order to try and bolster our argument that you should not delete this useful information. I shouldn't have had to do this. It upsets me that I have. How much easier would it have been if you had just gone out to find those sources and put them in, rather than making me have to replace and rewrite the whole piece before putting them in for you. How much more valuable would the entry be if it had not lost the nuances of discussion gathered along the way - and had not lost the support of those who felt dispirited by your actions? The irony is that the MSM articles I've quoted as sources to appease you, although they were in reputable journals, were mostly entertainment/tech puff pieces. Whenever I read this kind of material in daily newspapers about subjects I know intimately (like videoblogging), I'm invariably struck by how they fail to fully grasp the subject. They're taking an amateur snapshot and giving it a spin - and even if well-intentioned, it does not get the level of rigour demanded from news journalists, or those who specialize in a field, which presumably is what the Wikipedia Rules uphold as the highest level of verifiability. If you'd ever been in a job where you'd had feature journalists calling up and asking you to do their job for them by telling them everything you know about a subject so that they can write it down, funk it up a little and give it to their editor, you'd probably have a little more perspective on what's a verifiable source. I would say that on an average day, I read more bullshit in the paper than I do online. I know you'll come back and cite the Wikipedia Rules. I don't care. As always, it's *how* you apply the rules that matters. Rules can be over-extended, corrupted and abused to serve particular personal interests, and must be applied judiciously. What you have been doing has been perceived as selfish and destructive, masquerading as a service to the community and as adherence to the rulebook - in short, the behaviour of a mean-spirited civil servant. Now I'm very tired, and I'm going to bed before I say something I'll regret. All I'll say is, That's how it's been seen here, and I hope that that's enough to make you step back for a moment to consider things. Please give the article a chance to breathe, and do not delete anything more until we have had a good long chance to review it among ourselves. If you have issues with it, leave HTML comments in the text and notes on the discussion board. We will attempt to meet your concerns - I will certainly give them due attention and reply. Then, when you've given it some time, perhaps you can find two authoritative Wikipedia editors to help you assess what needs to be corrected according to the rules. Thanks, Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 1 May 2007, at 01:14, pdelongchamp wrote: I'm just an Wikipedian. (a regular joe that likes wikipedia) You can read about Wikipedia policies and guidelines (which are decided by editors like you and me) in this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simplified_Ruleset When I first started contributing to Wikipedia, one of the things that I found most surprising and hard to accept was this quote at the top of one of Wikipedia's core content policies:
[videoblogging] Youtube videos available as MP4 downloads
I just saw this on mmeiser.com from the beginning of the month. Apologies if he or anyone else has mentioned it here already. Get YouTube videos as iPod compatible MP4s via Google Video. Here's how: http://mmeiser.com/blog/2007/04/youtube-coming-soon-to-ipod-near- you.html Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Pixelodeon attendees
I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
Checked out Expedia and found these hotels that are close to the AFI. Hollywood Downtowner Days Inn Hollywood Ca Super 8 Motel - Hollywood/L.A. Area Days Inn - Los Angeles Hollywood Inn Express North I have no idea if they are any good at all. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
If someone abuses a wikipedia page you can petition wikipedia to have them stop or to have the page locked. An example of a locked or protected page is the one on Todd Goldman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Goldman -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi Well, doesn't look like he does have the patience any more, sadly. On Meiser's Talk page on Friday, he said he's now going to give up, exhausted by Patrick Delongchamp's repeated 'delete trolling.' So Meiser has spent a long time protecting the entry from this sad little man on a power trip. Not just Meiser's own work, but the hours and hours of work of all you others who have added to and discussed the Wikipedia entry. This is what community is for. It's all about consensus and support. How can we organize to support Meiser, and persuade this troll to leave it alone? Maybe we can turn the tables and exhaust Delongchamp instead, show him that more people believe in the fuller entry than in his destructive, narcissistic little stub. I'm game. What do you reckon? This is a problem on Wikipedia, individuals who use deletion to exert a kind of tyrannical power over entries. The rule that things must be from a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) can be corrupted and abused to mean that everything that is not sourced must be stripped away. It's an incredible power, to delete everyone else's entries and just leave your own. It's a terrible abuse, I think, and achieves the opposite of what NPOV intended - one view instead of many. To justify it, Patrick Delongchamp needs to be backed by a community consensus, which he is not. I didn't know this was going on. I wish I had - it's the kind of thing that should be discussed here. The wikipedia entry always *used* to be discussed here, however painfully. Usually when someone was trying to exert too much individual influence. At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Rupert Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 30 Apr 2007, at 09:10, Rupert wrote: That's Patrick Delongchamp of the old vlog cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com which stopped last June when he and his partner broke up. He used to post quite a lot on this Group, but nothing since September, so I guess he's given up interest in Vlogs... other than telling us what is a Vlog and what is not. If you want to have a reasoned discussion with him about the rights and wrongs of this, he published his email here as patnmax at gmail Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 03:03, Michael Verdi wrote: This user - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry (deleting everything useful in it). It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Also, here's some wikipedia pages on edit abuse and vandalism: http://tinyurl.com/2hejny http://tinyurl.com/23ob22 with links to other pages on the subject. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone abuses a wikipedia page you can petition wikipedia to have them stop or to have the page locked. An example of a locked or protected page is the one on Todd Goldman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Goldman -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi Well, doesn't look like he does have the patience any more, sadly. On Meiser's Talk page on Friday, he said he's now going to give up, exhausted by Patrick Delongchamp's repeated 'delete trolling.' So Meiser has spent a long time protecting the entry from this sad little man on a power trip. Not just Meiser's own work, but the hours and hours of work of all you others who have added to and discussed the Wikipedia entry. This is what community is for. It's all about consensus and support. How can we organize to support Meiser, and persuade this troll to leave it alone? Maybe we can turn the tables and exhaust Delongchamp instead, show him that more people believe in the fuller entry than in his destructive, narcissistic little stub. I'm game. What do you reckon? This is a problem on Wikipedia, individuals who use deletion to exert a kind of tyrannical power over entries. The rule that things must be from a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) can be corrupted and abused to mean that everything that is not sourced must be stripped away. It's an incredible power, to delete everyone else's entries and just leave your own. It's a terrible abuse, I think, and achieves the opposite of what NPOV intended - one view instead of many. To justify it, Patrick Delongchamp needs to be backed by a community consensus, which he is not. I didn't know this was going on. I wish I had - it's the kind of thing that should be discussed here. The wikipedia entry always *used* to be discussed here, however painfully. Usually when someone was trying to exert too much individual influence. At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Rupert Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 30 Apr 2007, at 09:10, Rupert wrote: That's Patrick Delongchamp of the old vlog cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com which stopped last June when he and his partner broke up. He used to post quite a lot on this Group, but nothing since September, so I guess he's given up interest in Vlogs... other than telling us what is a Vlog and what is not. If you want to have a reasoned discussion with him about the rights and wrongs of this, he published his email here as patnmax at gmail Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 03:03, Michael Verdi wrote: This user - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry (deleting everything useful in it). It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
i def think this guy has abused his privilige On 4/30/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, here's some wikipedia pages on edit abuse and vandalism: http://tinyurl.com/2hejny http://tinyurl.com/23ob22 with links to other pages on the subject. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone abuses a wikipedia page you can petition wikipedia to have them stop or to have the page locked. An example of a locked or protected page is the one on Todd Goldman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Goldman -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi Well, doesn't look like he does have the patience any more, sadly. On Meiser's Talk page on Friday, he said he's now going to give up, exhausted by Patrick Delongchamp's repeated 'delete trolling.' So Meiser has spent a long time protecting the entry from this sad little man on a power trip. Not just Meiser's own work, but the hours and hours of work of all you others who have added to and discussed the Wikipedia entry. This is what community is for. It's all about consensus and support. How can we organize to support Meiser, and persuade this troll to leave it alone? Maybe we can turn the tables and exhaust Delongchamp instead, show him that more people believe in the fuller entry than in his destructive, narcissistic little stub. I'm game. What do you reckon? This is a problem on Wikipedia, individuals who use deletion to exert a kind of tyrannical power over entries. The rule that things must be from a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) can be corrupted and abused to mean that everything that is not sourced must be stripped away. It's an incredible power, to delete everyone else's entries and just leave your own. It's a terrible abuse, I think, and achieves the opposite of what NPOV intended - one view instead of many. To justify it, Patrick Delongchamp needs to be backed by a community consensus, which he is not. I didn't know this was going on. I wish I had - it's the kind of thing that should be discussed here. The wikipedia entry always *used* to be discussed here, however painfully. Usually when someone was trying to exert too much individual influence. At the moment, it's one-on-one with Meiser and this idiot. Let's not be like the townsfolk in High Noon, leaving him to tackle it alone. Let's be like the slaves in Spartacus! Rupert Rupert http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/ http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 30 Apr 2007, at 09:10, Rupert wrote: That's Patrick Delongchamp of the old vlog cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com which stopped last June when he and his partner broke up. He used to post quite a lot on this Group, but nothing since September, so I guess he's given up interest in Vlogs... other than telling us what is a Vlog and what is not. If you want to have a reasoned discussion with him about the rights and wrongs of this, he published his email here as patnmax at gmail Rupert On 30 Apr 2007, at 03:03, Michael Verdi wrote: This user - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry (deleting everything useful in it). It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. - Verdi On 4/29/07, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Has rather been decimated. Wow. Anybody? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/fauxpress [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
remember to add yourself to upcoming so we know you're coming (and so other people will want to come because you are coming) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/158264/ On 4/30/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked out Expedia and found these hotels that are close to the AFI. Hollywood Downtowner Days Inn Hollywood Ca Super 8 Motel - Hollywood/L.A. Area Days Inn - Los Angeles Hollywood Inn Express North I have no idea if they are any good at all. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
I added myself. Somehow I think me coming would draw any other people to the event though ;) :) Regardless. Looking forward to hopefully meeting some of those that have inspired me. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: remember to add yourself to upcoming so we know you're coming (and so other people will want to come because you are coming) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/158264/ On 4/30/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked out Expedia and found these hotels that are close to the AFI. Hollywood Downtowner Days Inn Hollywood Ca Super 8 Motel - Hollywood/L.A. Area Days Inn - Los Angeles Hollywood Inn Express North I have no idea if they are any good at all. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
OK, fwiw: I did not get past this gem: There's one catch though, it's an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. Now, arguments/debates/discussions in this group are worth their weight in electrons, I know, but somebody PLEASE tell me no one currently participating here thinks this any more than drunky wunky talkWhat did I miss? WtW
[videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
Err...that was supposed to read Somehow I *dont* think me coming would draw any other people to the event though. Ok. Hooray for typos n stuff. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I added myself. Somehow I think me coming would draw any other people to the event though ;) :) Regardless. Looking forward to hopefully meeting some of those that have inspired me. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ryanne hodson ryanne.hodson@ wrote: remember to add yourself to upcoming so we know you're coming (and so other people will want to come because you are coming) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/158264/ On 4/30/07, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: Checked out Expedia and found these hotels that are close to the AFI. Hollywood Downtowner Days Inn Hollywood Ca Super 8 Motel - Hollywood/L.A. Area Days Inn - Los Angeles Hollywood Inn Express North I have no idea if they are any good at all. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
On my trip to LA in January I stayed at the Mayfair -- tres shabby, but cheap, there's free wifi, a good taco truck across the street and it's only a five minute walk to the Metro train. Yes, I just said LA, walk and train all in one sentence. But then I'm the kind of guy who'll take el sabor del barrio over parking and pool six days a week and twice on Sunday. On 4/30/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: remember to add yourself to upcoming so we know you're coming (and so other people will want to come because you are coming) http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/158264/ On 4/30/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] taoofdavid%40gmail.com wrote: Checked out Expedia and found these hotels that are close to the AFI. Hollywood Downtowner Days Inn Hollywood Ca Super 8 Motel - Hollywood/L.A. Area Days Inn - Los Angeles Hollywood Inn Express North I have no idea if they are any good at all. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? good question. im putting together a list of places to stay close to the American Film Institute. if you have identified any specific places, ill add them to the list. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
Sorry I'm jumping into this a little late. I'd like to add my point of view from a library student standpoint, particularly for PatrickD Nobody owns information. If you chose to be a Shepard of the Video Blog section then there are responsibilities beyond your or my opinion on a topic. Citation from an authorized and verifiable source is important. That verification can come from a number of sources. This can include traditional media. However even librarians (and those that hope to work among them) understand the rapidly increasing flow of information. We absolutely evaluate but don't restrict where good information can come from. For an quick example: Twitter. M$M (outside of the computer publications) hasn't a clue about what Twitter is or its functionality. If I had to write up a citation for Twitter there would be no point in searching traditional media, although I would do that as a matter of course. On the date of this post I'm not going to find a Twitter book or manual. What are the words, terms and concepts I need to understand? What is the vocabulary? Can I find multiple source to verify that vocabulary? I would also go to the source, i.e. the Twitter web site. I would look for competitors or vendors with a similar service. I would seek out and observe those people who would have a relationship with the service or who would have experience. This could be professional or highly advanced nerd or geek. Next, I would look at affinity groups (there must be a Twitter group someplace) and observe the posts for those persons who seem to know what they are talking about. They could led me to a verifiable or trusted source. My point is that there is a process to verifying information. It is not an exclusive it can only come from one direction process. Information has a flow, a relationship to the people that use it. It is organic not static. Course if you do it right there can be a kind of rapture in crafting just the right citation. Respectfully, Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
(A half hour later...) Now I see the importance, I think. For those who think this group - its members and their efforts - are at least important enough to document in some kind of historical record, the screwing around with its Wikipedia entry is hurtful vandalism, at the least, but maybe also at the most. So lemme ask one more obvious (to me anyway) question: does the definitive - or at least, the fairly accurate, as we know it now - entry about this group reside somewhere other than Wikipedia, for safekeeping? Rupert, on your hard drive, maybe, or Verdi's, or some one's? It's not like youse guyz NEED an external site to maintain your own history, is it? This is not to excuse the rampant illogical editing of the vlog wikipedia entry, of course; it's just to suggest what may already have happened: if it's important to document, then hey, save it in a safe place! Respectfully, WtW --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, wallythewonderdog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, fwiw: I did not get past this gem: There's one catch though, it's an encyclopedia which means the content must be encyclopedic. Now, arguments/debates/discussions in this group are worth their weight in electrons, I know, but somebody PLEASE tell me no one currently participating here thinks this any more than drunky wunky talkWhat did I miss? WtW
[videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
Folks - The Hollywood section has made great improvements over the years. It was tre-skeezy a few years ago. Now it is, well, it is better than what it was. There are places to stay and not stay. How can I say this? Some of the places are Hooker palaces and some are just cheap seedy joints with a lot of fleas. If I get a chance I can head over and check them out. If I can find a place like the Twin Palms in SF we score but L.A. and by extension Hollywood is a little different. AFI is not accessible at night by public transport. You can get kinda, sorta close but it is a heck of walk you really don't want to make at night. You want to rent a car or a van if a bunch is heading to town. DO NOT TAKE A TAXI! Frigging bandits of a fraternal order of (*^(^$% I really gotta get some sleep but I can put this on the agenda lists. of stuff to check out. Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: Pixelodeon attendees
That would be a huge help Gena. Thanks! David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks - The Hollywood section has made great improvements over the years. It was tre-skeezy a few years ago. Now it is, well, it is better than what it was. There are places to stay and not stay. How can I say this? Some of the places are Hooker palaces and some are just cheap seedy joints with a lot of fleas. If I get a chance I can head over and check them out. If I can find a place like the Twin Palms in SF we score but L.A. and by extension Hollywood is a little different. AFI is not accessible at night by public transport. You can get kinda, sorta close but it is a heck of walk you really don't want to make at night. You want to rent a car or a van if a bunch is heading to town. DO NOT TAKE A TAXI! Frigging bandits of a fraternal order of (*^(^$% I really gotta get some sleep but I can put this on the agenda lists. of stuff to check out. Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: I am about to book my flight and hotel for Pixelodeon. For those that are going, where are you staying? David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: Video Blog Wikipedia Entry
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm jumping into this a little late. I'd like to add my point of view from a library student standpoint, particularly for PatrickD Nobody owns information. If you chose to be a Shepard of the Video Blog section then there are responsibilities beyond your or my opinion on a topic. Citation from an authorized and verifiable source is important. That verification can come from a number of sources. This can include traditional media. However even librarians (and those that hope to work among them) understand the rapidly increasing flow of information. We absolutely evaluate but don't restrict where good information can come from. For an quick example: Twitter. M$M (outside of the computer publications) hasn't a clue about what Twitter is or its functionality. If I had to write up a citation for Twitter there would be no point in searching traditional media, although I would do that as a matter of course. On the date of this post I'm not going to find a Twitter book or manual. What are the words, terms and concepts I need to understand? What is the vocabulary? Can I find multiple source to verify that vocabulary? I would also go to the source, i.e. the Twitter web site. I would look for competitors or vendors with a similar service. I would seek out and observe those people who would have a relationship with the service or who would have experience. This could be professional or highly advanced nerd or geek. Next, I would look at affinity groups (there must be a Twitter group someplace) and observe the posts for those persons who seem to know what they are talking about. They could led me to a verifiable or trusted source. My point is that there is a process to verifying information. It is not an exclusive it can only come from one direction process. Information has a flow, a relationship to the people that use it. It is organic not static. Course if you do it right there can be a kind of rapture in crafting just the right citation. Respectfully, Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com Yes, in my view, knowledge and standard information comes out of human interaction and incorporation into persistent human action. It develops naturally and an authority only is valid in how well they conceptualize the natural occurrence. Whether the authority be a judge, newspaper editorial stance, encyclopedic reference, etc. -- Enric
