On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:55:12 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
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Dear Gilberto,
As a former member of a protestant Christian church, The
Disciples of Christ, I found your comment a bit perplexing.
Like Patti, I've always felt appellation disciple referred
to anyone who believed
Yeah, actually that seems right on target. I'm honestly a little
surprised though. In the Bahai writings I think Paul is described as a
saint and an apostle and a most faithful servant of Jesus and his
epistles are quoted from as well. I guess, that just implies a certain
amount of respect but
Hello Gilberto and Mark,
Gilberto wrote:
In the Bahai writings I think Paul is described as a
saint and an apostle and a most faithful servant of Jesus and his
epistles are quoted from as well. I guess, that just implies a certain
amount of respect but doesn't necessarily imply infallibility.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:40:04 -0800, Ronald Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Gilberto and Mark,
Hello Ronald.
Gilberto wrote:
In the Bahai writings I think Paul is described as a
saint and an apostle and a most faithful servant of Jesus and his
epistles are quoted from as well. I
Hi, Gilberto,
At 06:40 AM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
In the Bahai writings I think Paul is described as a saint and an apostle and
a most faithful servant of Jesus and his epistles are quoted from as well.
Sure, Paul may have been a great soul. However, to conclude that his words are
verbally
In a message dated 12/17/2004 10:06:31 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would the
Bahai faith be opposed to Bahaisparticipating in such services and trying
to listen to revelationthrough the "inner
light"?
We are supposed to "consort with the followers of all faiths
In a message dated 12/17/2004 12:23:22 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For
instance, how will the fact that Google is about to digitize several major
libraries relate to the absence of a global policy regarding online
review?
The US has already adapted to the
Gilberto,
At 10:05 AM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
I wonder how Bahais generally view the Quakers? I've been to Quaker-style
service where most of the people in the room weren't even Quaker.
I subscribe to four Quaker-oriented email lists. There is currently an online
culture war being waged between
Mark wrote:
If it were up to me, I would end it today. However, as time goes on, review
may become increasingly irrelevant anyway. For instance, how will the fact that
Google is about to digitize several major libraries relate to the absence of a
global policy regarding online review?
Well,
Gilberto,
At 01:24 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
And instead of the Eucharist, they sit around in meetings and wait for
someone to be moved by the inner light.
That is true with the unprogrammed meetings. However, the programmed meetings
operate similarly to what one expect in any church (a paid
Ron,
At 01:12 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
Well, one way the policy of review hurts is that there a lot less books
written about Baha'i related topics, than there would be without review. Why
invest the time and effort to write a book when it may never see the light of
day because of review?
I
Gilberto,
At 02:35 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:
I'm not sure if that is a good example. Most of the Christian bookstores
have a very narrow focus, with a strong emphasis on materials which are used
in churches (sunday school curricula, sheet music, that kind of stuff) so it
isn't supersurprising
Gilberto:
Not exactly. I'm was saying **Jesus** didn't change the laws. But then
Pauline Christianity after him declared most or all of the rules of
the Torah abrogated. I think there is a fairly large disconnect
between what Jesus taught and Christian doctrines.
Patti:
I largely agree with
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:36:39 -0800, Patti Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
I think Jesus substantially continued to endorse the laws of the Torah
and taught his followers to continue to follow them. He just deepened
their understanding of its principles. So in declaring that the
As Susan Maneck is fond of quoting, He doeth whatsoever He willeth.
Huh? I thought I was fond of She doeth whatsoever She willeth. ;-}
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Susan,
At 11:05 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
Huh? I thought I was fond of She doeth whatsoever She willeth. ;-}
I wonder if Terry Culhane is reading this. ;-)
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-- Abbie Hoffman
Hi, Gilberto,
At 12:00 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
I'm not sure why you are assuming He doesth whatsoever He willeth would
preclude God's will from being constant. If we really do believe that God can
do what He wants then why wouldn't that include the possibility of having a
constant will?
I
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:00:24 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 01:41 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
Okay, but what I'm saying is that one can say God *can* change His mind,
but chose not to, at least not in an ultimate sense, hence the perennial
philosophy.
Mark:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:21:47 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/13/2004 12:14:59 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I forget if I've talked to you about this before. I would have thought
that the elephant is God.
Scott:
I don't think we
Hi, Gilberto,
At 04:08 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
I'm not convinced that what you wrote contradicts or precludes the
possibility of what I wrote above.
If I understood you correctly, you suggested that (at least some?) proponents
of perennialism might distinguish between actuality and
In a message dated 12/13/2004 8:52:59 PM Central Standard Time,
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Affirming
everything so as to not offend, so I was surprisedthat you seemed to flat
out reject the Trinity.
In the Christian sense Baha`i's do not believe in the "Trinity" much
either.
Regards,
Brent:
Fulfill. Not co-opt.
Gilberto:
So what do you think co-opt means?
Hi Gilberto,
Please allow me to jump in here. I think it might be useful to look at how
Christ fulfilled the law of Moses:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come
to destroy,
Gilberto,
At 08:52 PM 12/13/2004, you wrote:
Speaking very loosely and generally and probably incorrectly, it seemed like
you had a sincere healthy respect for religious diversity, not as absolutist
as other Bahais I've come across. But then at the same time you seem deadset
against
There is a learned and friendly discussion between the erudite Mark and the
erudite Brent.
I think there is no doubt that there are many people of good will who invite
peoples of their own Faith to look lovingly at the OTHER.
I am particularly grateful to Mark Foster for providing this link
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 05:26:25 -, Brent Poirier
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Our friend Gilberto wrote:
There are also scathing condemnations of Muslims as a community
In the Baha'i Writings there are criticisms of Jews who did not recognize
Jesus Christ, and Christians who did not
Gilberto,
If I might jump in ...
At 03:22 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
One would be whether the Bahai claims regarding Islamic entities (i.e.
Muhammad, the Quran, the imams, hadith, etc.) are true.
Both Sunnah and Ashyaa claim to follow the legitimate successors to Muhammad.
The only reason I
://www.submission.org/had-corruption.html
From Mark A. Foster
Sent: 12 December 2004 10:08
To: Baha'i Studies
Subject: Re: The Baha'i Praises of Islam
Gilberto,
If I might jump in ...
At 03:22 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
One would be whether the Bahai claims regarding Islamic entities (i.e
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:07:48 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
And secondly, can Bahai claims be fairly described as affirming Islam in a
positive sense, or do they result in co-opting Islam.
Mark:
No religion can be co-opted. They are each distinct divine
Dear Khazeh
Wow, thanks for all that info. That's alot of content. Let me just
respond to a few things:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:17:19 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Faith of Islam is confirmed. Some of the rules, regulations, and
ordinances of the Dispensation are
this one or that one
[when you mention the name of a particular scholar God rest his soul [rah.imahu-Allah]
Gilberto Simpson
Sent: 12 December 2004 16:10
To: Baha'i Studies
Subject: Re: The Baha'i Praises of Islam
Dear Khazeh
Wow, thanks for all that
info. That's a lot
I wrote:
However, since this subject is not, to my knowledge, clearly discussed in the
Baha'i primary sources, I try not to limit my speculations.
That should be, I try to limit my speculations.
Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger
-- Abbie Hoffman
see that Face too.
With kind regards khazeh
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark A. Foster
Sent: 12 December 2004 17:18
To: Baha'i Studies
Subject: Re: The Baha'i Praises of Islam
Gilberto,
At 09:45 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
I think
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:18:00 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Springboarding from:
The Metaphysics of Interfaith Dialogue: A Qur'anic Perspective
http://www.iis.ac.uk/research/academic_papers/interfaith_dialogue/interfaith_dialogue.htm
Before substantiating this conception
Spring boarding from:
The Metaphysics of Interfaith Dialogue: A Qur'anic Perspective
http://www.iis.ac.uk/research/academic_papers/interfaith_dialogue/interfaith
_dialogue.htm
Dear Gilberto
I was thinking of the Name GERBERT as well as Gilberto tonight
Gerbert studied in Islamic
Hi, Khazeh,
At 01:53 PM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
Baha'u'llah's Writings please I beg you read:
http://bahai-library.com/provisionals/basit.html
One portion reads:
Two stations can be observed in the Divine Unity: Existential Oneness
(tawhíd-i wujudí), and this is that [station] wherein all
from Gilberto Simpson
Dear Khazeh,
Wow, that was again alot of content. Could I ask you a small favor?
Would it be possible to cut-and-paste less, especially if you are not
going to thoroughly discuss something and intersperse comments? In
this last letter it was hard to tell what was the new
Hi, Gilberto,
At 05:29 PM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
No, that's not what I meant. BOTH Po-tay-to and Po-tah-to they are just
different ways of saying the same thing. I was asking if it was possible that
saying God has one will is really the same as perennialism.
Oh, I see. I don't think so, no.
In a message dated 12/13/2004 12:14:59 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I forget if
I've talked to you about this before. I would have thoughtthat the
elephant is God.
I don't think we get to see "GOD" other than what the Prophets show us of
Him. So the continuity
Gilberto,
At 09:53 PM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
Oh and to add to Mark's list of non-Muslim religions which has positive
things to say about Islam is Cao Dai.
Yes, and there are many, many others, including the various branches of the
Radhasoami movement.
I have a collection of links to Cao Dai
Our friend Gilberto wrote:
There are also scathing condemnations of Muslims as a community
In the Baha'i Writings there are criticisms of Jews who did not recognize Jesus
Christ, and Christians who did not recognize Muhammad, and Muslims who did not
recognize the Bab and Baha'u'llah, and have
Hi, Brent,
At 12:16 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
... in terms of raw numbers, I feel that the Baha'i Faith has touched more
people worldwide than all of those movements combined.
Personally, I am not sure. The Vedanta Society of Swami Vivekananda, which
regards Muhammad as an Avatar, has had a
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