What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread Tim Nolan
Could anyone else tell me, what stands out in your mind about why you converted. What was the thing that grabbed you adn convinced you. I was raised as a Catholic, and had no interest in changing my religion, at the time I first heard of the Baha'i Faith. A friend in my college dormitory told me

Re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
SC: To my way of thinking to deny the Power of God to express His Will through a human Mouthpiece, as were all His Manifestations, is to deny all Creation. RS: How so? Inspite of all our [human] observations and subsequent replications of principles in Creation it only serves to remind us of

re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Brent, On this point I would disagree with you...; if you are saying Baha'u'llah did not see a Maiden and I believe that is what you are saying. Shoghi Effendi does not say the images were symbols conjured up by the Manifestations to relate Their experience. He says the images were

re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Brent Poirier
for instance, the famous passage where Bah'u'llah sees tablet in His mind, i do nopt thhink He actually 'sees a Tablet but He chose that phrase and image to try to communicate His reality to us. There is an interesting record of a conversation in one of Stanwood Cobb's books, I don't recall

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread dlmbrt
Could anyone else tell me, what stands out in your mind about why you converted. What was the thing that grabbed you adn convinced you. I was raised in a mainstream Protestant church, and never found it satisfying.  I spent many years exploring various religions.  I was a Quaker for

Re: Perennial Bab?

2004-12-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:00:35 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gilberto, Mark: However, I have often found that what strikes me as plausible is greeted with astonishment by many others. To me, Thelema (Crowley) is plausible. Gilberto: I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Even

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Dave, At 08:42 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: I was a Quaker for many years, and I spent about ten years in the Foundation Faith of God, a church which is a fringe group and in many of the “cult” books, but which I found to contain some of the truest Christians I have ever met. When you were

re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Mark A. Foster
Brent, At 06:50 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: There is an interesting record of a conversation in one of Stanwood Cobb's books, I don't recall which, where the Master was asked Do you know everything to which He replied No, but when I need to know something it appears before me as on a moving

Re: Perennial Bab?

2004-12-30 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, Gilberto, At 08:55 AM 12/30/2004, you wrote: I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Even with the few thelemites I've communicated with, I wasn't sure if they were realists when it came to their own beliefs. Are you saying it is plausible that Crowley really did have some kind of spiritual

re: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread Brent Poirier
Could anyone else tell me, what stands out in your mind about why you converted. What was the thing that grabbed you adn convinced you. The other thing I keep wondering about is certainty. I freely admit, I have little certainly about anything. I really am amazed at the degree of certainty

Re: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:46:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "There is one other condition which should be mentioned. There arecertain former Bah whose actions do not necessarily constituteCovenant-breaking, but are seriously destructive. Where such

re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Ahang Rabbani
If I'm not mistaken, a similar thing is reported in Dr. Afrukhtih's Nine years memoirs of Akka. Are any of Cobb's books on-line? Regards, Ahang. --- Brent Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for instance, the famous passage where Bah'u'llah sees tablet in His mind, i do nopt thhink He

Renewed Attack

2004-12-30 Thread Max Jasper
Title: Message Renewed Attack: http://www.baztab.com/news/19656.php __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread dlmbrt
Mark wrote: When you were in it, did they still have similar quasi-Gnostic teachings (re: Satan, etc.) to when they were the Process Church of the Final Judgement? As I recall, their teachings were pretty traditional. We didn't talk about Satan much. The focus was on service. Dave Lambert

Stanwood Cobb's books on line

2004-12-30 Thread Brent Poirier
Two of Cobb's books are on line, The Unity of Nations and Islamic Contributions to Civilization. http://bahai-library.com/etc/author.html Brentcito __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a

Re: Perennial Bab?

2004-12-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 13:28:08 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Gilberto, [much deleted] Gilberto: I think the picture gets more complex than that. I think in Judaism there actually may be a date where they say the canon is closed and no more prophets are coming. Mark:

Re: Stanwood Cobb's books on line

2004-12-30 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 12/30/2004 3:24:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brentcito 'Little' Brent? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to

Re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:49:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RS: Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to assume that Abdul Baha used an interpreter becuase he could't understand English well without one? Why else would Abdu'l-Baha use an interpreter ? Dear

Rank of the Trustees of the Right of God

2004-12-30 Thread Brent Poirier
I remember reading a statement from the Universal House of Justice in which it said that the rank of the Trustees of the Huquq is higher than that of the Counsellors. I can't locate it, and wonder if any of you know where it is. Thanks Brent __

Re: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Mark A. Foster
Susan, At 04:50 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote: I think Abdu'l-Baha's knowledge of English may well have been adequate to understand people without an interpreter much of the time, at least by the time He left America. I suspect speaking English back to them may have been more of a problem. But

RE: Questions about Omniscience and related matters

2004-12-30 Thread Susan Maneck
My friend, the late Ruhiyyih McComb (originally, Muset Montana Jones), who was named by `Abdul-Baha when she was 8 or 9 years old, said that `Abdu'l-Baha spoke with her in English several times. Yes, He had at least a decent amount of conversational English. There are several instances of