On 8/4/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against theGentiles, turns the Temple of Dionysos into a Christian church, burns downthe Mithraeum of the city, destroys the Temple of Zeus and burlesque the
pagan priests before
On 8/4/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear
Gilberto,
Mob
violence (which usually involves throwing rocks) cannot be equated with
executions by stoning.
I think it depends on the degree to which the mob represents the values
of the community as a whole. For
Where do you get the concept of anomaly from. I thought you were a
nominalist. There is no such thing as an ideal real typical Christian.
The Reconstructionists are no less Christian than anyone else.
Dear Gilberto,
Would you say the same thing about Osama ben Laden?
I'm not trying to define
On 8/5/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where do you get the concept of anomaly from. I thought you were anominalist. There is no such thing as an ideal real typical Christian.The Reconstructionists are no less Christian than anyone else.
Dear Gilberto,Would you say the same thing
The Reconstructionalists are one modern group, but from the very beginning
of Christianity, there have been MANY different groups which in various
respects have looked at the commandments of the Old Testament and said, hey
there is a lot of good stuff in here that we should still be doing.
Dear
On 8/5/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Reconstructionalists are one modern group, but from the very beginningof Christianity, there have been MANY different groups which in variousrespects have looked at the commandments of the Old Testament and said, hey
there is a lot of good
Susan,
At 03:04 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:
I think, by the way, you are vastely overestimating the numbers of Christian
Reconstructionalists. As Mark pointed out, Gary North went over to Christian
Identity. Fundamentalists have become increasingly politicized over the past
thirty years, but very,
When separated from Calvinism, these views are generally called dominion
theology.
Dear Mark,
I though dominion theology *was* Calvinistic.
For instance, Pat Robertson, while a dispensational premillennialist, has
taken some ideas developed by Rushdoony, whom he admires a great deal, and
used
Hi, Susan,
At 10:24 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:
I though dominion theology *was* Calvinistic.
The terminology is sometimes confusing. However, no, dominion theology is
generally the term used for kingdom now theology, a pentecostal approach
(also called latter rain) inspired by William Branham.
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even today, there are some reconstructionistChristians who want to establish a theocracy and want stoning
implemented as punishment.Perhaps, but it has never been done in historical Christianity.
*389 to 390 * All non-Christian date-methods
Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against the
Gentiles, turns the Temple of Dionysos into a Christian church, burns down
the Mithraeum of the city, destroys the Temple of Zeus and burlesque the
pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0800DarkAge.html
In the year 404AD, long after the complete triumph of Christianity, the gladiatorial games were proceeding as usual in the Roman amphitheater when the monk Telemachus flung himself into the arena to protest, and was stoned to death by
Dear
Gilberto,
Mob
violence (which usually involves throwing rocks) cannot be equated with
executions by stoning.
warmest, Susan
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Both both the Reconstructionists and Fundamentalists both are a part
of Christian efforts to implement a particular vision of Biblical
values onto the larger society. They both tend to be a part of the
religious Right.
Dear Gilberto,
Originally true fundamentalists were rather apolitical and
I am talking about the present.
-Gilberto
On 8/1/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Both both the Reconstructionists and Fundamentalists both are a part
of Christian efforts to implement a particular vision of Biblical
values onto the larger society. They both tend to be a part of the
adulterer and
adulteress, to be paid to the House of Justice: nine
mithqals of gold, to be doubled if they should repeat
the offence. Such is the penalty which He Who is the
Lord of Names hath assigned them in this world; *and in
the world to come He hath ordained for them a
humiliating torment.* Should
SC: Not *public* but, ...in the world to come...
Ah yes. Let's not forget that traditionally adultery has been punished by
stoning. And no, Jesus never explicitly did away with that, He simply
refused to uphold a double standard which punished women and let men off
scot free.
The
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SC: Not *public* but, ...in the world to come...
Ah yes. Let's not forget that traditionally adultery has been punished by
stoning. And no, Jesus never explicitly did away with that, He simply
refused to uphold a double standard which
I've heard similar things but I don't think I've ever heard/read a
good explanation of exactly was the scope and intent of Let he who is
without sin cast the first stone.
Dear Gilberto,
Well one thing we do know is that it was a woman brought before Jesus (and
not the man she presumably
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've heard similar things but I don't think I've ever heard/read a
good explanation of exactly was the scope and intent of Let he who is
without sin cast the first stone.
Dear Gilberto,
Well one thing we do know is that it was a woman
is the
Lord of Names hath assigned them in this world; *and in
the world to come He hath ordained for them a
humiliating torment.* Should anyone be afflicted by a
sin, it behoveth him to repent thereof and return unto
his Lord. He, verily, granteth forgiveness unto
whomsoever He willeth, and none may
Even today, there are some reconstructionist
Christians who want to establish a theocracy and want stoning
implemented as punishment.
Perhaps, but it has never been done in historical Christianity.
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I would be surprised. Even today, there are some reconstructionist
Christians who want to establish a theocracy and want stoning
implemented as punishment.
Dear Gilberto,
I might add something about Christian Reconstructionalism, at the risk of
offending your sensibilities. I think Christian
Susan,
At 04:44 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
Perhaps, but it has never been done in historical Christianity.
Christian reconstructionists, or theonomists, are post-millennialists who want
to institute Old Testament law, not the principles of the New Testament. They
believe that, before Christ will
Christian reconstructionism are probably the closest Christian movement to
the Taliban.
And to the takfir wa hijr movements in general. In fact, I'm suggesting
there may be a historical connection.
warmest, Susan
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Susan,
At 06:04 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
And to the takfir wa hijr movements in general. In fact, I'm suggesting there
may be a historical connection.
The connection you made is interesting. If there is a difference with Takfir wa
Hijra, it is in the rejection of violence.
Actually, I think
The connection you made is interesting. If there is a difference with
Takfir wa Hijra, it is in the rejection of violence.
Dear Mark,
I don't think all Reconstructionalists reject violence. In fact some of them
support militias and quite a few believe believe in arming themselves to the
teeth.
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be surprised. Even today, there are some reconstructionist
Christians who want to establish a theocracy and want stoning
implemented as punishment.
Dear Gilberto,
I might add something about Christian Reconstructionalism, at the
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Even today, there are some reconstructionist
Christians who want to establish a theocracy and want stoning
implemented as punishment.
Perhaps, but it has never been done in historical Christianity.
I'm going to be skeptical since I'm
There are certainly no shortage of fundamentalist Christians who hate
Islam but think that the Old Testament is full of wisdom and guidance.
I doesn't take alot of imagination to think that implementing the OT
would be a good idea.
Dear Gilberto,
Strictly speaking the Reconstructionalists are
I'm going to be skeptical since I'm generally suspicious of
categorical claims like that. I find it really hard to believe that
Christians were fine with burning people at the stake but found it out
of the question to stone people to such agree that it has NEVER been
done. Especially since the
Hi, Susan,
At 08:54 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
I don't think all Reconstructionalists reject violence. In fact some of them
support militias and quite a few believe believe in arming themselves to the
teeth.
Some people associated with various factions of the Christian Identity movement
Gilberto,
At 09:10 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
Another name of someone who is also considered a founder is Cornelius Van Til
but he is from the Netherlands.
Van Til's Calvinist presuppositionalism may have influenced Rushdoony to a
degree, but Van Til was not an advocate of any version of
Susan,
At 09:35 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
Strictly speaking the Reconstructionalists are not Fundamentalists.
Fundamentalists are typically Dispensationalists, a position quite the
opposite of Reconstructionalism.
That was true until recently. However, increasing numbers of fundamentalists,
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Hi, Susan,
At 08:54 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:
I don't think all Reconstructionalists reject violence. In fact some of
them support militias and quite a few believe believe
Yes. That is Gary North. He has since dissociated himself from Christian
reconstructionism and has started associating with Christian Identity
types.
Yeah, that was the guy I was thinking of. I didn't realize he had gone over
to Christian Identity, though I was aware he had broken with
On 7/31/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are certainly no shortage of fundamentalist Christians who hate
Islam but think that the Old Testament is full of wisdom and guidance.
I doesn't take alot of imagination to think that implementing the OT
would be a good idea.
Dear
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