Skip, I agree with you.
My considerations to prefer in HF Contestia 250/4 format is related to
the idea to find some compromise for bpsk31 folk, Olivia light users,
and rtty folk when the propagation is not enough good for bpsk31 and rtty.
So Cnt 250/4 with 39wpm is the first alternative for
Jaak,
I agree with your reasoning in testing Contestia 250/4. I also think
that a good approach would be for EVERYONE to use RSID so a station can
shift the QSO mode according to typing preference or propagation
conditions, as determined at either end of the QSO. Multipsk, DM780, and
Fldigi
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-76A1.pdf
This just makes no sense to me why you would push Pactor III on a
channelized frequency setting..
73 Rick N2AMG
www.n2amg.com
It seems odd to me too Rick.
However, i do note...
means of on-off keying (emission designator 150HA1A) continues to be used by
amateur stations because
of its reliability in difficult propagation conditions. ARRL also states
that the other requested emission
designators – 60H0J2B (which is
When did Pactor-III (up to 2200 Hz wide, I think), suddenly become a
narrowband data mode?
73 - Skip KH6TY
Andy obrien wrote:
It seems odd to me too Rick.
However, i do note...
means of on-off keying (emission designator 150HA1A) continues to be
used by amateur stations because
of
From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 Time: 08:08:41
and
2K80J2D (which is generally known as
PACTOR-III) – are popular narrowband data modes.
Since when was Pactor III a narrow-band mode?
--
73
Ian, G3NRW
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 02:53:16PM +0100, Ian Wade G3NRW wrote:
From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 Time: 08:08:41
and
2K80J2D (which is generally known as
PACTOR-III) ??? are popular narrowband data modes.
Since when was Pactor III a narrow-band mode?
In
In a channelized setting, PIII will not exceed allowed bandwidth.
But, to answer your question about why the ARRL pushes PIII; relevance
in emergency communications for current sustainability of allotted
spectrum.
When there is a race for control of long-haul spectrum (for which there
is a
What it means is that the channel will be dominated with personal
Winlink Pactor-III traffic, completely filling it up, with no sharing,
or any space left for truly narrowband modes like PSK31 - all in the
name of emergency communications. It has proven impossible for a
Pactor-III ARQ station
I don't have one, but the M-8000 is intended to decode a lot of
modes that are or were used by non-amateur operations. I believe
the quality of the modem is on a par with the best of the hardware
modems, marginally below the better DSP modems. I would probably
pay $100 for one. Seems like they
I can clearly see that this anti Pactor rant will Never end.
John, W0JAB
AA6YQ comments below
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of John Becker, WOJAB
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:50 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Why does the ARRL continue to push for Pactor
I would belive that if it was not for that fact that shortly
after a PACTOR QSO the phone has rang telling me what
orifice I should shove my pactor equipment into. Leaving no
guessing what so ever about it. Then not even giving me
time to say I was in a 2 person QSO. That my friend was
the
John,
How frequently do you use Pactor-III, keyboard to keyboard?
How fast do you touch type?
73 - Skip KH6TY
John Becker, WØJAB wrote:
So my friend I do think WINLINK has a lot to do with it
when even a keyboard to keyboard QSO get's phone calls
from some lid. But I guess, I'll
Hello Skip,
About Contestia:
I think this mode is a better compromise between robustness and speed than
Olivia (too much robustness) and RTTYM (very fast but with the problem of
having two sets of characters as in RTTY, i.e letters and figures, and hence
much risk of packet of errors).
but it
Unfortunately lots of people have had bad experiences with Pactor
and,naturally, like when you've been bitten by a big dog you don't forget it !
I used to enjoy using pactor with my PK232 during the 90's but many times my
contacts were totally wiped out by a roving Pactor message system which
Often, very often. All pactor modes.
As for a typing. touch typing is a thing of the past.
At 02:19 PM 5/10/2010, you wrote:
John,
How frequently do you use Pactor-III, keyboard to keyboard?
How fast do you touch type?
Hi Patrick,
Yahoo reports there is no RSID group. Where should I request additional
RSID codes?
73 - Skip KH6TY
Patrick Lindecker wrote:
Hello Skip,
About Contestia:
I think this mode is a better compromise between robustness and speed
than Olivia (too much robustness) and RTTYM
John,
I was specifically asking only about Pactor-III keyboard-to-keyboard
QSO's, not Pactor-II or Pactor I.
As for a typing. touch typing is a thing of the past.
How do you personally carry on a keyboard-to-keyboard conversation
without typing?
73 - Skip KH6TY
John Becker, WØJAB
At 02:51 PM 5/10/2010, you wrote:
Unfortunately lots of people have had bad experiences with Pactor
and,naturally, like when you've been bitten by a big dog you don't forget it !
I used to enjoy using pactor with my PK232 during the 90's but many times my
contacts were totally wiped out by a
At 03:12 PM 5/10/2010, you wrote:
John,
I was specifically asking only about Pactor-III keyboard-to-keyboard QSO's,
not Pactor-II or Pactor I.
Skip, just because you are anyone else can't copy
P2 or P3 does not mean it does not happen. Belive me, it happens !
most of my keyboard to keyboard
ESP - There is a difference between typing and touch typing. Google it.
I did. Touch typing is typing without using the sense of sight to find
the keys.
*Typing* is the process of inputting text into a device, such as a
typewriter /wiki/Typewriter, cell phone /wiki/Cell_phone, computer
Skip,
It is an informal group composed by the Hams able to program RS ID in their own
respective programs (i.e Votjech, Simon, Dave, Cesco and myself).
A RS ID number can't be virtual. It must be really implemented in a program...
73
Patrick
- Original Message -
From: KH6TY
Patrick,
Thanks. I'll ask Dave to request the number. He is already going to add
Contestia 64/1000 and Contestia 64/2000 to Fldigi because those are
needed on UHF when SSB cannot get though due to poor propagation,
Doppler speading, and multipath.
73 - Skip KH6TY
Patrick Lindecker
Yes,
14.075 was the Pactor calling freq, don't know who decided that. I have
not heard any ARQ Pactor in a long time, is it still used by anyone?
73 Buddy WB4M
- Original Message -
From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 10,
John and others,
well I jumped in too soon. I thought he meant Pactor I as it was not
specified in the original message. I also used to love both Pactor and
Amtor ARQ modes.. still love Clover too, and will use any of them.
73 Buddy WB4M
- Original Message -
From: John Becker, WØJAB
At 05:18 PM 5/10/2010, you wrote:
Yes,
14.075 was the Pactor calling freq, don't know who decided that. I have
not heard any ARQ Pactor in a long time, is it still used by anyone?
73 Buddy WB4M
Yes it still is but it has been driven to the coat room by
all the sound card user. Seems that
Wayner:
An M-8000 is worth more than $100. If you don't want to buy it, ask him if
he will sell it to me!
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html
- Original Message -
From: wayner rueg...@insightbb.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:06
Just got started John.Don't have my station up and running yet.Can't seem to
get something right.Trying to set up RTTY with no luck.I think I have verything
set up right and see and hear signals on the screen.But no messages.I set all
the jumpers by the book.But I can't send or recive any
Hi this is N9HSM Tom on this new Ver. 3.5.8 what has happen on the macros? You
can't save it. Like the other Ver.. I went to send CQ thats when i found out I
had to reset the macros again.. So Far this has been a good program. Thanks
alot from N9HSM
Rick Ellison writes:
...
This just makes no sense to me why you would push Pactor III on a
channelized frequency setting..
A good question: I was thinking of sending in a comment on that NPRM,
recommending that instead of authorizing only PSK-31 and Pactor-III,
that the FCC instead permit
John W0JAB wrote: I like it (Pactor) and will operate it.
You have every right to, assuming you don't interfere with an ongoing QSO etc.
And someone calling your home and swearing at you was uncalled for, so to
speak, and not in the spirit of ham radio.
But several people have brought up
Patrick,
I failed to point that every combination of bandwidth -125, 250,
500,1000, 2000, and tones - 2,4,8,16,32,64, 128, 256, for Contestia and
Olivia are ALREADY implemented in both Fldigi and MixW. It is only
because of this that were were able to discover the benefits of
Contestia
On May 10, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Chris Jewell wrote:
Rick Ellison writes:
recommending that instead of authorizing only PSK-31 and Pactor-III,
that the FCC instead permit all publicly-documented data modes
So, has Pactor III every been publicly-documented???
Dave
K3DCW
Real radio bounces
FYI, I plan to file a comment opposing the PIII on 60M proposal. My
objections are
PIII is a proprietary mode .
PIII as used in non-busy detect Winkink system has been the leading cause
of QRM complaints for the past 10 years, hence they are likely to cause the
same for the primary services
Why not just limit bandwidth of any emission to 500 Hz?
73 - Skip KH6TY
Andy obrien wrote:
FYI, I plan to file a comment opposing the PIII on 60M proposal. My
objections are
PIII is a proprietary mode .
PIII as used in non-busy detect Winkink system has been the leading
cause of QRM
I take that as a no to my question about whether Pactor III has ever been
publicly documented.
My understanding is that if it is not, then it isn't authorized for use on the
amateur bands in the US. I'm not opposed to Pactor III, per se, but by my
understanding it doesn't comply with the
Dave, Of course Pactor-III has been publicly documented! wink
See: http://www.scs-ptc.com/pactor/pactor
However, it would take a judge in a court of law to decide if it has
been adequately documented publicly. As far as it is known, nobody has
been able to design a competing device to the SCS
This would be a good plan to insure that the Amateur Radio Service is
treated as hobby-only communications.
However, to be able to send traffic that is formatted in usable format
for the players in an emergency, it takes a bit more than FEC, or
throttled back ARQ.
There are none of these
All,
Anyone notice the carrier on 14069.0 dial / + 1000Hz? It's been there
for several hours.
Tony -K2MO
All,
The Smokey Bear Special Event station K5S is running Olivia 8/500 on
14072 +1000Hz
Been there since 02:45z.
Tony -K2MO
Where does one file comments on this proposal?
I sure wish the WinLink guys would backfit the WinMor busy frequency detector
and deploy it to every PMBO. I'd much rather write code than letters to the
FCC...
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien
AA6YQ comments below
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, David Little dalit...@... wrote:
This would be a good plan to insure that the Amateur Radio Service is treated
as hobby-only communications.
We had to destroy the village in order to save it
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I run a 24/7 RMS WINMOR server.
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