Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-30 Thread John Becker
Sorry Howard But this brain dead thinking (or lack of it) about pactor that some seen to have just burns me the wrong way. I guess if I had a sound card in the shack computer I could blast back every time I get QRM'ed by some other mode also. Speaking of, where have you been hiding your pactor

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of k4cjx Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:12 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Amazing that one thinks

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread KH6TY
On 8/29/2010 2:12 PM, k4cjx wrote: BTW, it wasn't winlink that wanted anything, it was the ARRL who wrote the proposal. There were flaws in it, but it was headed in the proper direction. it will return as we move toward a digital future. Steve, k4cjx, aaa9ac Let's not try to distort

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The ARRL

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread John Becker
Me just thinking out loud.. Would we be talking about this if one could operate Pactor 2 or 3 on a 15 buck sound card from any wal*mart? I think not. I for one can run all 3 pactor modes having the modem. (by putting out the cash for the thing in the first place) and enjoy the many QSO's

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-08-29 Thread W6IDS
Thank you, John, Sir. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN EM79NV - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Me just thinking out loud

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-21 Thread Lester Veenstra
or any documents attached hereto is prohibited. From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ted Bear Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:22 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Holy Moly.. When you

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Julian, This regulation was made years ago and just covers all spread spectrum. In the FCC's opinion, ROS is spread spectrum, both by description by the author and lab analysis. So, they had no choice but to uphold the current ruling. If someone wants to redefine spread spectrum on HF as

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Who is to decide what is harmful to the general population or not - the individual looking out for himself, or the public looking out for everyone (in the form of a republic) including that individual? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 4:34 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Julian, For example, five years ago, Winlink attempted to get the FCC to allow then to use Pactor-III ALL OVER the phone bands, with the argument that the bandwidth was no greater than a phone signal. Do you think that should have been allowed for the benefit of that 1% of the US ham

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
SO ! that whats in my swimming pool.. I'll have to add more chlorine..   Garrett / AA0OI From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:58:44 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 10:17:08 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   Apparently it's perfectly fine to break the rules because what the big bad government doesn't know won't hurt them. At least according to some people. I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
WOMEN ?!   Garrett / AA0OI From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 2:21:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and get back

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread Robert Klinger
I sure am glad I grew up! MAN! Get a life! From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:21:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread J. Moen
back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@... wrote: It seems to me that the developer of the mode may have cooked his own goose: he declared it to be a spread-spectrum mode, and spread-spectrum is mot legal on HF in the USA

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Jeff Moore
The definition given although likely accurate is not relevent to the discussion because it's NOT the definition used by the FCC. Although none of us (US hams) are going to be deported to Siberia (unless there's some sort of agreement between the US and USSR that I'm not aware of), we CAN be

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Alan Beagley
On 07/19/10 11:48 am, g4ilo wrote: Your definition might be called what good SS is and the way ROS does SS might be called what bad SS is. But how wide is PSK31? Is ROS wider? So ROS is wider than needed to convey intelligence. So is RTTY. But it isn't SS. Your point is well taken, but

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
, July 19, 2010 12:32:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   The definition given although likely accurate is not relevent to the discussion because it's NOT the definition used by the FCC.   Although none of us (US hams) are going to be deported to Siberia (unless

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
weren't always like this) Garrett / AA0OI From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Beagley ajbeag

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Jeff Moore
From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@... wrote: But the FCC has already written -- according to a document I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !    A smart man picks his fights carefully.  Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd.   Jeff  --  KE7ACY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread bgrly
: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
no,but if I did ,, no one except nit pickers would care.   Garrett / AA0OI From: bg...@comcast.net bg...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   pse speak

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
**From:** Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !  A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
forbidden to fly) I'm sure everyone drives the speed limit too.. Just use common sense..  Garrett / AA0OI From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
needs to move to Iraq.. see if they agree with you !    Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !    A smart man

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
, 2010 6:03:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread J. Moen
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where there is plenty of room!). A single spread spectrum signal on HF

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread bgrly
oooh kaay ;-) ke4mz - Original Message - From: AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! no,but if I did ,, no one except nit pickers would care. Garrett

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread W2XJ
Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread W2XJ
: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where there is plenty of room!). A single spread spectrum signal on HF may go unnoticed by most stations, but what happens if 100 (in range

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Dave AA6YQ
[mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of W2XJ Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:10 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Skip if you call this a regulation, I agree with Garret. It is a misguided one and a victim of unintended consequences

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread James Hall
Message - *From:* KH6TY kh...@comcast.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
@yahoogroups.com digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-15 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I wonder where ROS would be today if someone had been truthful about it the first place? That little game of banning some from using it (for unknown reasons) was just about it for me. John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-15 Thread Alan Beagley
On 07/15/10 01:54 pm, John Becker, WØJAB wrote: I wonder where ROS would be today if someone had been truthful about it the first place? That little game of banning some from using it (for unknown reasons) was just about it for me. I received a few ROS transmissions within a week or two of