Being relatively new to this list, I dip my toe into what seems to be a
somewhat fraught mailing list with some trepidation. (Read: please don't
bite this newbie).
I think we need to understand where the problems lie and therefore what
problem(s) we are seeking to solve. If I understand it
I think its new-ness bias and a related content bias and a popularity
bias rather than primarily a gender bias. Theres loads of new work
published all the time. Lots of it will not merit a Wikipedia article, just
as many novels by the male contemporaries of Clive Cussler dont get
I agree that offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder. And while there
may be all manner of very niche groups who find strange things
offensiveness, maybe some people object to seeing refrigerators or reading
about cakes, nonetheless we know that there are a lot of widespread
categories of
myself.)
On 7/23/2014 9:51 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
I agree that offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder. And while there
may be all manner of very niche groups who find strange things
offensiveness, maybe some people object to seeing refrigerators or reading
about cakes, nonetheless we know
Nice idea in principle, but there are still two hurdles to be overcome
1. How do you get the cheatsheet to the new female editor? How do you
spot new female editors? By what mechanism do you communicate with them? Can
you assume they know about User Talk (my almost entirely unsuccessful
What data is there to support the claim that the majority of WP editors are
young, white, child-free men. ? The 2011 editor survey
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Survey_2011
shows the majority are male, but not exactly young (although I guess it
depends what you mean by young) and
Pine, with respect, I think you are looking at this in terms of how do we
shoehorn these users into our way of doing things instead of asking what
should the user experience be like?.
In the scenario we are discussing, we have a new user (or even not-so-new
user) sitting in front of a
It's mentioned in as one of the neighbourhoods in this Portuguese Wikipedia
article:
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belo_Vale
saying (in the Google translation) In the village of Bride Lambs has a small
manufactures Lingerrie and cleaning products.
(Noiva do Cordeiro translates to Bride
Google maps thinks it exists:
http://goo.gl/maps/T7q4b
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From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Baron
Sent: Thursday, 28 August 2014 6:15 AM
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
Cc:
My conclusion is that the place is real, and has some kind of interesting
history relating to the church and women, but unsure if the Mirror article
about the present day demand for men willing to submit to their rules is
verifiable. It really needs a Portuguese speaker to decide that as that's
Solution. Get some women to put on bodysuits and bathing caps and photograph
them holding up a large WP logo. Fix the details in Photoshop as required.
Put the image on Commons, ask WP women to put it on their User page, share
it with friends on social media, etc. Ensure this photo is more widely
There is this existing list (limited to English language for some reason)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_run_an_edit-a-thon#List_of_ed
it-a-thons_in_English_language_or_in_English_speaking_countries
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From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
Maybe I am missing something (USA copyright law is not my area of expertise)
but I see recent photographs of old things, which would make the photos the
copyright of Dovie Horvitz (who is described as the person who took the
photos). If the copyright has been assigned to the university, the
this, it's my big passion - professionally and
personally.
-Sarah
[1]
http://www.dmlp.org/threats/national-portrait-gallery-v-coetzee#description
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe I am missing something (USA copyright law is not my area
When you work in a university, you frequently receive proposals that want
students (and sometimes academics) to be free labour for some worthy (or
not-so-worthy cause) without much regard to how the student benefits in
terms of their program of study. As much as I am personally committed to
This anonymity issue is one that arises quite a lot with Wikipedia and the
WWW and big data generally. Just because the data is public and can be
aggregated and presented in all sorts of interesting ways, there are those
who would argue that it is OK to identify individuals because none of the
A. All the studies on female participation come up with low percentages
around 10% plus or minus a few percent. Of course, it is possible that in
all of the studies the women are choosing not to self-identify. It is an
inherent difficulty in any study if people choose to not reveal
://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2014_Participant_Survey_-_Dat
a_Summary.pdf
Yes, it would be nice to see what the 2012 survey data shows.
Kerry
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From: Andreas Kolbe [mailto:jayen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 8:53 PM
To: Kerry Raymond; Addressing
I'm up for a Sydney meet-up!
Kerry
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From: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of G. White
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014 9:47 AM
To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
participationof women within
I don't think most disputes get resolved. I think one person simply gives
up. Maybe they don't think the issue is that important, maybe they feel that
they don't have the time to argue it, maybe they feel that the other person
involved is too unpleasant to want to try to engage with, maybe they've
It might be a reprint but every reprint brings it to a new audience. In this
case, SBS is an Australian government broadcaster whose charter is to
provide multilingual and multicultural radio and television services that
inform, educate and entertain all Australians and, in doing so, reflect
I probably should also add that according to the 2012 fundraising data,
Australians appear to have the highest per-capita rate of Wikipedia donors,
albeit off a much lower population base.
Kerry
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Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train-the-trainer session
with a view to the chapters running sessions locally in addition to the
Wikimania session. Not many people get to go to Wikimania so the chapters
approach would be more scalable.
Kerry
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From:
welcome
:) (I'll pass everything on to the programme committee, though I suspect I'm
not the only member of it subscribed to this list).
Thanks and happy new year!
Chris
On 19 Dec 2014 07:21, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I suggest that the Wikimedia Conference do a train
To me, a practice wiki is NOT the answer. But it's what looks like an
answer when you frame the issue as let's fix the problem with women
instead of let's fix the problem with Wikipedia. I do not think a retreat
to various off-WMF platforms is anything other that, a retreat.
I think the place
The key comment is this: We are also considering ways to get the people
most interested in going to those editathons to also run them (empowering
them, in effect).
If edit-a-thons are to achieve scale, it's necessary that once established,
the group will continue under its own momentum. This
We talk a lot of about the culture of Wikipedia being negative, critical,
abrasive etc; this is a turn-off to a lot of women (and also to a lot of
men). But what can we do to change that? Well, I thought about the way that
postings get Liked on Facebook. Indeed, most postings get many Likes on
No, I cannot help with the data (although I share your interest in knowing
it).
But, it is probably not too surprising to find higher concentrations of
female Wikipedians in education and GLAM as there are usually high levels of
female participation in those professions. If the Wikipedia data
Certainly my own experience with edit training and edit-a-thons is that,
while people (both male and female) seem to enjoy the workshop, they don't
come back for more. I increasingly share the view that Wikipedians are born
not made. I am not sure that outreach achieves very much, given it is very
The mechanics of doing this aren't such a big deal. AutoWikiBrowser is
probably the best way to do it as you can eyeball each change before it
happens just to make you that you haven't done something inappropriate (like
the unmanned vehicle example). It's a little tedious (to eyeball each one)
but
to foresee
things like unmanned vehicle that should not be changed if operating a
totally automated bot.
Kerry
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From: Kerry Raymond [mailto:kerry.raym...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 February 2015 2:46 PM
To: 'Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase
This is why a fully automated bot is unlikely to be successful. Until you
see the changes that are actually going to occur, you don't know what
terrible mistakes might be made due to the unforseen types of usage. Hence
my suggestion is to use AWB, which enables you to eyeball every change and
SKIP
Well, I hope you will all be delighted to hear I have just pushed out some
of the first articles created as part of Australian Women of Neuroscience
2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_Women_of_Neuroscience_2014
I didn't support the event personally so I am not quite
I don't think there has been any decision on which projects are being
supported.
The survey is about the process, and would provide you with ample
opportunity to mention giving up in the face of hatred.
Kerry
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I think everyone's idea is good.
You can tackle these problems from a big data perspective as Joseph is
proposing which has the disadvantage of being possibly imprecise in its
assessment of gender but can potentially scan the whole of Wikipedia
providing a massive dataset. And you can look at
Could this provide any insights into women contributing to Wikipedia?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/23/women-are-silenced-onli
ne-just-as-in-real-life-it-will-take-more-than-twitter-to-change-that
Kerry
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And if you live outside the USA, you are presumably expected to do multiple
long haul flights to the USA for quite short visits meaning being jetlagged the
entire time and on your return. I note also that the long haul flights appear
to be cattle class with no allowance for extra nights to deal
Unfortunately, death threat jokes are like airport bomb jokes, best not
uttered. Even if they are part of a Steve Martin comedy routine, if you don’t
get the joke, you are receiving a threat or others misread it as a threat.
Clearly getting a joke depends on a shared cultural knowledge (I’ve
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