Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi all, I'm going to close this thread and create a new proposal thread ( https://lists.apache.org/thread/fyyhkjvhzl4hpzr52hd64csh5lt2wm6h) with project name "Uniffle" . Please help to discuss. Best regards, Jerry Daniel B. Widdis 于2022年5月24日周二 01:24写道： > This conjures up a mental image of a

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This conjures up a mental image of a unicorn with the Apache feather tickling its nose... I like it. On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 8:36 AM Jerry Shao wrote: > Hi team, > > After discussing with the team, we figured out a new name "Uniffle" > (Unified/Universal Shuffle). And we did a name searching,

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi team, After discussing with the team, we figured out a new name "Uniffle" (Unified/Universal Shuffle). And we did a name searching, seems there's no conflict with this new name. So we'd go with "Uniffle" as new project name. What do you think? Best regards, Jerry - Uniffle

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Thanks Justin for the explanation. We discussed internally and think that a new name would be better to avoid potential issue. Will figure out a new name. Best regards, Jerry Justin Mclean 于2022年5月23日周一 20:29写道： > Hi, > > > There’s a typo in this paragraph that makes it impossible to > >

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Hi, > There’s a typo in this paragraph that makes it impossible to > understand/changes the original meaning. Apologies I meant to say "I don’t think that is the case.”. From what I can see trademarks have not approved FireStorm as a name. If the project wants to enter the incubator with that

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Hi John, I'm a little confused for now. Is name "Firestorm" ok as an Apache podling name? Best regards, Jerry John D. Ament 于2022年5月23日周一 19:34写道： > On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 23:32 Daniel Widdis wrote: > > > Adding onto this, even if there may be no legal trademark issue, there is > > other

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On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 23:32 Daniel Widdis wrote: > Adding onto this, even if there may be no legal trademark issue, there is > other software by this name which makes it less than desirable. Quoted > from [1] > > > Avoiding search-results confusion is important for another reason. > Apache

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I see, thanks Justin and Daniel for your inputs. Best regards, Jerry Daniel Widdis 于2022年5月23日周一 11:32写道： > Adding onto this, even if there may be no legal trademark issue, there is > other software by this name which makes it less than desirable. Quoted > from [1] > > > Avoiding

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Adding onto this, even if there may be no legal trademark issue, there is other software by this name which makes it less than desirable. Quoted from [1] > Avoiding search-results confusion is important for another reason. Apache > projects are often very quickly highly ranked. An Apache

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HI, > According to the trademarks@ current cursory feedback, looks like project > name "Firestorm" is OK. I don’t this that is the case. Trademark checked “FlameStorm”, and said that if Firestorm was as issue then FlameStorm would also be an issue. I don’t believe they have checked FireStorm.

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Hi all, Thanks for your feedbacks. According to the trademarks@ current cursory feedback, looks like project name "Firestorm" is OK. After a quick search of registered US trademarks I don't see anything > that would give me cause for concern. > > Note that if FIRESTORM was infringing, then I

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+1 (non-binding) Interesting project, good luck! Shuai Di Best Regards. 俊平堵 于2022年5月21日周六 10:40写道： > > I cannot agree more. > In ASF, we have many SQLs, MQs, streamings, etc, and some projects among > them are really awesome. We (in ASF) should not be in the position to ask > projects to merge

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I cannot agree more. In ASF, we have many SQLs, MQs, streamings, etc, and some projects among them are really awesome. We (in ASF) should not be in the position to ask projects to merge but leave it to community (users and developers) of projects to decide if they want to. Appreciate Jerry and Yu

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Hi Justin, Thanks for your input. And good luck to Firestorm team! -- Trista Pan Twitter & Github: tristaZero On 05/18/2022 16:27，Justin Mclean wrote： Hi, It’s a bit different from my impression, could I know

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Thanks Willem for the coordination, and thanks Jerry and the Firestorm team for the open discussion! +1 for the proposal. Good luck and hope our paths could cross in the future (smile). Best Regards, Yu On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 11:28, Willem Jiang wrote: > Hi， > > We just had a quick meeting

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Thanks Willem for organizing, thanks Yu to join and have this open discussion. We have made a consensus that both projects developing separately, and seek the opportunity to collaborate in future. So +1 from my side. Back to the merging or separation discussion, I think both ways have pros and

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Hi， We just had a quick meeting to talk about the possibility of the joint effort today. Jerry ,Yu and I expressed the pros and cons about merging the project together, we also discussed the challenges (legal affairs, design and codebase decision making) of merging these two projects together.

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Thanks all for the considerate comments and thanks Jerry (and Firestorm team) for the open mind. I totally agree that working as one project/community is a good wish instead of a prerequisite (and I believe no one meant this actually), and I don't have any intention to block the incubating

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Yes, I think we could discuss the possibilities offline. But I would like to clarify that "merging these projects together" is neither a "problem" (a "wish" indeed), nor a prerequisite for incubating. In the heyday of Hadoop, there were so many similar or even same purpose projects in ASF, the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:50 PM Sheng Wu wrote: > > Hi Firestorm community > > Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you could do > some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want. > Both of the projects are young and very new to the community, it may > be not a concern

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Hi, > It’s a bit different from my impression, could I know it’s fine to have many > projects sharing much similar functions or aiming in parallel here? It's 100% fine and we have many TLP that do similar things as each other. Kind Regards, Justin

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Hi ShengWu Is there a successful precedent for this open source in the community? --- 在 2022/5/18 下午2:50，“Sheng Wu”https://github.com/flink-extended/flink-remote-shuffle [2] https://github.com/alibaba/RemoteShuffleService

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Thanks guys for your opinions, we will discuss the things off the list. But AFAIK, this should not be the blocking issue here for incubating. Best, Jerry Juan Pan 于2022年5月18日周三 15:31写道： > Hello Justin, > > > > If the projects decide not to join forces, we would welcome an > incubating

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Hello Justin, > If the projects decide not to join forces, we would welcome an incubating > proposal from the other project. The ASF doesn't pick projects to use, we let > the wider user community decide what they want to use. It’s a bit different from my impression, could I know it’s fine

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Hi, It would be good if the project could work together, but there isn’t anything wrong with having two similar incubating projects. If the projects decide not to join forces, we would welcome an incubating proposal from the other project. The ASF doesn't pick projects to use, we let the wider

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+1 to this. Would love to see both groups come together. On 5/17/22, 11:50 PM, "Sheng Wu" wrote: Hi Firestorm community Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you could do some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want. Both of the projects are

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi Firestorm community Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you could do some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want. Both of the projects are young and very new to the community, it may be not a concern from my perspective(may be concerned by some IPMC), as

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi Yu， IMO, I think we're open and welcome all the contributions. We heartfully welcome you to join Firestorm project and community. Best regards, Jerry Yu Li 于2022年5月18日周三 13:36写道： > Hi Jerry, > > Good to see the proposal for incubating a uniform remote shuffle service. > Coincidently, we

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi Jerry, Good to see the proposal for incubating a uniform remote shuffle service. Coincidently, we are preparing an incubating proposal for the same direction based on two open source projects Alibaba is driving [1] [2], and I'm the champion for that. Our proposal is still not fully prepared

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Sure Felix, let me add you to the list. Best, Jerry Felix Cheung 于2022年5月18日周三 11:59写道： > Same here, would love to see if I can help, Jerry. > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:31 PM Saisai Shao > wrote: > > > Thanks Weiwei, let me add you to the mentor list. > > > > Best regards, > > Jerry > >

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Same here, would love to see if I can help, Jerry. On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:31 PM Saisai Shao wrote: > Thanks Weiwei, let me add you to the mentor list. > > Best regards, > Jerry > > Weiwei Yang 于2022年5月17日周二 12:18写道： > > > +1 > > This is an interesting project, I'd be happy to help the

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Thanks Justin, Let me talk to trademarks@ first. Best, Jerry Justin Mclean 于2022年5月17日周二 21:12写道： > Hi, > > I’d run that past trademarks@ mailing list. It might be like calling your > fast food restaurant McDoogles and hoping no-one notices the name is > similar to McDonalds. > > Kind

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Hi, I’d run that past trademarks@ mailing list. It might be like calling your fast food restaurant McDoogles and hoping no-one notices the name is similar to McDonalds. Kind Regards, Justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi, We discussed internally and proposed a new name "flamestorm" as a replacement. If the community thinks this name "flamestorm" is OK, our proposal will go with this new name. Best regards, Jerry below is the search result for "flamestorm"

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Thanks Weiwei, let me add you to the mentor list. Best regards, Jerry Weiwei Yang 于2022年5月17日周二 12:18写道： > +1 > This is an interesting project, I'd be happy to help the project's > incubation process. > Let me know if you need my help, Thanks > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:09 PM Saisai Shao >

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+1 This is an interesting project, I'd be happy to help the project's incubation process. Let me know if you need my help, Thanks On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:09 PM Saisai Shao wrote: > Got it, thanks a lot Justin. > > Best regards, > Jerry > > Justin Mclean 于2022年5月17日周二 10:59写道： > > > Hi, > > >

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Got it, thanks a lot Justin. Best regards, Jerry Justin Mclean 于2022年5月17日周二 10:59写道： > Hi, > > The new project name doesn’t need to be a registered trademark, but you > would still need to pick a name that is now likely to have any trademark > issues. > > The project may want to get the ASF

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Hi, The new project name doesn’t need to be a registered trademark, but you would still need to pick a name that is now likely to have any trademark issues. The project may want to get the ASF to register the mark at a later date, but it wold be best to talk abut that on the trademarks@ list.

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Hi Daniel and Justin， Sorry about one more questions. Seems like the name "firestorm" has some conflicts in USPTO searching and we only submitted China trademark registration. So about a new name, do we need to register this new "name" before donation (and transfer to ASF before graduation), or

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Thanks Daniel and Justin, let me resolve the naming issue first. Best regards, Jerry Justin Mclean 于2022年5月17日周二 09:52写道： > Hi, > > > Thanks for your reply. The trademark "firestorm" as a software has > already > > been submitted the registration by Tencent in China, I'm not sure is that > >

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Hi, +1 (binding for me) As stated in the proposal, Shuffle is a critical part of the distributed computing engine for exchanging data between distributed tasks, and it is important to maintain high performance and continuous stable operation, issues that often plague users and developers of big

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Hi, > Thanks for your reply. The trademark "firestorm" as a software has already > been submitted the registration by Tencent in China, I'm not sure is that > enough or not. If that trademark is approved it would need to be transferred to the ASF before graduation. Even f it was approved there

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I trust your lawyer will know better than I will about the trademark. I simply entered "firestorm software" into a search engine and got a product that's not yours, available since at least July 2017. This site [1] has the general naming guidance and the existence of the other software may

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Hi Daniel and Justin, Thanks for your reply. The trademark "firestorm" as a software has already been submitted the registration by Tencent in China, I'm not sure is that enough or not. Is there any guidance in ASF about naming or trademark things? I will consult this to our company lawyer.

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Hi, Sounds like an interesting project. I also think the name may be problematic from a trademark point of view. It might be best to do a trademark search as see if there are any issues. Changing the name is difficult, but is much much harder if it needs to be done later. Kind Regards,

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

+0.9 (non-binding). I think the project is a great idea. I think the name is going to run into a lot of issues with trademarks and pre-existing software products and would recommend the project consider a new name before incubating. On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 6:44 AM Jerry Shao wrote: > Hi all,

Re: [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

+1， good luck！ -- Original -- From: Jerry Shao https://spark.apache.org/;, Apache Hadoop MapReduce

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+1。 On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:13 PM Goson zhang wrote: > +1 > Good luck! > > > Jerry Shao 于2022年5月16日周一 21:44写道： > > > Hi all, > > > > We would like to propose Firestorm[1] as a new Apache incubator project, > > you can find the proposal here [2] for more details. > > > > Firestorm is a high

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+1 Good luck! Jerry Shao 于2022年5月16日周一 21:44写道： > Hi all, > > We would like to propose Firestorm[1] as a new Apache incubator project, > you can find the proposal here [2] for more details. > > Firestorm is a high performance, general purpose Remote Shuffle Service for > distributed compute

[DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

Hi all, We would like to propose Firestorm[1] as a new Apache incubator project, you can find the proposal here [2] for more details. Firestorm is a high performance, general purpose Remote Shuffle Service for distributed compute engines like Apache Spark , Apache