[videoblogging] The CNN/YouTube debate last night
I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com
[videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle – pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE – RIGHT NOW. Simple – who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 – across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever – we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak – again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina? This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Well, drat, and here I was all proud to learn (way after the fact) to learn that I got a Vloggie (which goes to show how much importance I attached to this - I didn't even know anything of mine was in the running). I guess we can do The People's Vlog Awards or some such. If we want to. I obviously didn't get to the Vloggies, but it seems to me that a lot of fun and constructive conversations were had just hanging out at other videoblogging events, without worrying about who was more recognized than anybody else. How about Florence (you know, the place in Italy)? I may be able to organize something there if anyone's interested... -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan living travelling in Italy (and other Countries Beginning with I) www.beginningwithi.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Wow. Valerie was rather..erm...brazen. I'd have needed a shower after reading such self-serving tripe. When will people get that forcing outcomes like this just. doesn't. work in the long-term? Perhaps PodTech might want to get consulting from the consistently forthright, diplomatic and direct (warts and all) Blip.tv, who has my neverending respect. They've had to deal with tough decisions, technical warts and all sorts of snafus and I have yet to see them surmount a challenge with any degree of nastiness, contrived sentiment or lack of grace. As an ad/PR person, I can tell you that they've generated PR that companies pay tens of millions to agencies for by just being organic, respectful and honest. They make it look very easy, and perhaps that's because common sense and respect IS easy. Thanks to Michael and all ye who put up with such nonsense hoping it will pay dividends for vloggers. On 24/07/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE RIGHT NOW. Simple who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina? This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] NY Times Kit Seelye Can't Get Her Black Vloggers Straight!....
Reporting like this makes me mad.. Same as when they use video on TV news and caption it as Home Video We are starting to see some changes like on CNN where they do put the submitter's name on the video, but reporting like this in the newspaper has to change. The attitude behind it is that reporters feel the people quoted or referenced in the story are not the main topic. They feel like they are just filler content and background and not important to be identified. Well guess what, in THIS STORY, the videobloggers ARE the main part of the story and their names should have been used, especially when you say your name right in the video. It saddens me to see videobloggers referred to as another, a black man and another video maker And don't get me started as to how they mis identify bank of america as a check-cashing store. Sad. Another asks the candidates if they would put their friends in important government jobs. Or are you going to hire the best and the brightest? he asks. Or are you prepared to tell us that your friends are the best and the brightest? A black man standing in front of a check-cashing store asks the candidates how they would stop predatory lending in low-income neighborhoods. A college student wants to know if the candidates would lower the legal drinking age to 18 from 21. Another video-maker asks: If you had to choose a current Republican presidential candidate as your running mate, who would you choose, and why? On Jul 23, 2007, at 5:23 AM, thisiswar3005 wrote: Katharine Seelye a reporter for The New York Times wrote an article about tommorrow's CNN / YouTube Debates where she links to two of my videos twice in paragraphs close to each other, but fails to identify me as the same person! This is both sad and funny. But it's mostly sad and not that funny. Here are the details: http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-york-times-cant-get-its- black-guy.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
Yea, I was a bit worried about them being able to select the questions but I really thought that the questions were a good cross section of questions... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com
RE: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Ken, Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a 'land grab' as you say. I'm exploring and having conversations with partners about the format of the Vloggies this year. Although we trademarked the term we are happy to work with any group with ideas to make it open like we did last year. We are in business to make money and do the right thing to grow with the industry. As a company we do make good business decisions and make some mistakes. Yeah a photo was accidentally used and some people didn't get their Vloggies on time - our bad but not intentional. If more great content can continue to come out from video pros (on PodTech or other network and sites) and more advertisers continue to accelerate their sponsorship and advertising efforts then I'm happy and the mistakes don't seem that bad. At the end of the day we are all part of a growing ecosystem and the goal of PodTech and the Vloggies is working with our peers in this ecosystem. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:19 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:08 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Well, great. So what are you going to do with the Vloggies this year John? -K --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier john@ wrote: Kent, You're not sure. In fact you're way off base. Trademarks are first use and the filing was part of many others like the BlogHaus and other events. It had nothing to do with Irina being a full time employee. Irina is an awesome person and is doing great work in videoblogging. From:
[videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
I didnt see it, Im in the UK, but I just read this story about it which I felt covered a lot of ground: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070724/youtube_debate_070724/20070724?hub=World or http://tinyurl.com/299ukk Personally I feel that the flaw that theres still a gatekeeper, CNN, was less relevant than the fact the politicians are still the same. It may be different people asking the questions, but politicians are still going to use their training to answer the questions in the way they want, encompassing their talking points and well-practices political stances on the issues raised, or even unrelated issues. But its a start. Here in the UK we have a TV program called Question Time, where the comments and questions from the audience are often a lot more interesting than what the panel says. The ability to create a new version of public meetings, using the internet, is certainly of interest. This CNN thing wasnt that, but it was some sort of step in the right direction I guess. A big challenge will be to change the pace of these things, theres only so much reality you can get out of short soundbites and quickly moving on to the next question, I remain fascinated by whether peoples concentration spans have been really been reduced over the decades or whether there is a real appetite for longer and deeper discussions. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com
RE: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Michael, I'm happy to talk in public about this. I remember your point last year and the Vloggies concept started out as a PodTech specific event (where you cherry picked Valerie's comments) we quickly saw that it was an opportunity for a community event. There were many people involved in the Vloggies not one person or company. It's cool to see how far the Vloggies came from some of our original posts on the wiki from valerie. I'm sure that the Vloggies will take on an even more expanded view this year due to all the growth in video. I'm happy to have private and public conversations my email is john at podtech dot net -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:06 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle - pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE - RIGHT NOW. Simple - who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 - across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever - we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak - again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina? This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
I suppose one other flaw with doing it through youtube, is that candidates can be aware of the questions in advance. Im not suggesting Hillary would watch all 3000 or so of the possible questions in advance, but I would guess that advisors would look through a good chunk of them in advance to see what sort of thing they were up against, and see if there was anything in there that could be particularly challenging, that the stock answers would not fit. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There really wasn't any other way for them to do it. YouTube's systems can be gamed to easily to allow youtubers to select the questions the candidates committees would have had no problem gaming the system in order to get the questions they wanted rated into the debate. Overall I think they did a really great job. It was a very interesting debate. - Dave On 7/24/07, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I was a bit worried about them being able to select the questions but I really thought that the questions were a good cross section of questions... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@ wrote: I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I had the opportunity to purchase some buddy passes about a month ago...I have missed so many vlogging get togeteher's I was detirmed, not to miss another one. I S wanted to go to the vloggies last yearso I bought the buddy passes for my wife and I and set an open date for LA to go to the vloggies this year. Now I wonder if I didn't just waste a bunch of moneyI have kept my mouth shut through most of this debate but I can't hold my tounge any longer. (be warned, my spelling will probably suck and I may not always be liner here cause I am flying off the cuff)... Thismess... and let's be frank and honest, this is a mess...makes me sad and angryit started with Lan's picture and continues with this, in my opinion, spin machine working in full forceI don't know John or Robert or anyone at Podtech personaly but based on your comments and actions it seems to be alot of CYA going on here and quite franky it's making you all look like jerks...you want examples? 1 when the mess with Lan came to the attention of this group, you used the death of a loved one of someone who worked for you as an excuseTHAT IS SICKINGsomeone lost a loved one and it was used to try and garner sympathyI am left speachless at such a thoughtless act 2 you admitted your mistake with conditions attached, paraphrasing here, yeah, we were wrong but there is more to the story, we can't talk about itdamnit be a man and just say we messed up and we will make it right...everytime I heard a yeah, but from you guys, it made me think YOU had something to hide, not anyone else 3 you have the nerve in the middle of all this to talk about how much money you lost on the vloggies and how people should be cutting you slack for all the good you have doneperhaps you have done a lot of good, perhaps you will do good in the future but right know, you are doing damage to yourself and Podtechright or wrong we are judged by our every actionyour actions are speaking loud and clear... Heck even if you don't believe you did anything wrong, if you had just sucked it up and put on a good face you could have avoided most of the ill will that you are experiencing now with this communtiy.the people on this list care about what happens in this community, they care about their friends and they care about this medium and we are passionate about it. We arn't just making silly video's we believe in what the promise of the medium represents you can continue to operate the way you always have and hope to ride this outor you can start listening and learningthe choice is yours Podtech.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50- 17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE RIGHT NOW. Simple who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina? This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and
Re: [videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
There really wasn't any other way for them to do it. YouTube's systems can be gamed to easily to allow youtubers to select the questions the candidates committees would have had no problem gaming the system in order to get the questions they wanted rated into the debate. Overall I think they did a really great job. It was a very interesting debate. - Dave On 7/24/07, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I was a bit worried about them being able to select the questions but I really thought that the questions were a good cross section of questions... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: CNN / YouTube Debates - Who's In?
Ive just been watching some of the debate on the CNN website and I see your question made it, cool. Any thoughts on how it went, the responses etc? Did it feel worthwhile? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mcmpress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's our entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jodTIw1ZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jodTIw1ZY To be featured on ABC World News Tonight this coming Sunday night. - Mary Jen videopancakes.com http://www.videopancakes.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hey, Tell me something... for the questions that were asked... did any of the candidates actually answer those questions. (And I mean actually answer... not just start talking about something else that had nothing to do with the actual question... and never get around to giving any actual answer.) (BTW... so far... the only candidate that seems interesting to me is Ron Paul.) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News http://vlograzor.com/ On 7/20/07, Zenophon Abraham thisiswar3005@ wrote: Hey Terry, I do agree. The vast majority of entries concern education. It seems that people -- logically in retrospect -- use this debate as an opportunity to present their concerns rather than ask the question that makes or breaks a president. Here's my latest -- and possibility final -- entry. This one on Hugo Chaves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3p6Ae6Mtdc Zennie --- terry.rendon terry.rendon@ wrote: I made clip video today taking a look at the more eccentric videos, you can watch it here http://blip.tv/file/310088 . I thought there would be better questions asked. I'm entry #103 by the way. Terry Rendon http://www.terryannonline.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, thisiswar3005 thisiswar3005@ wrote: Greetings, Other than Kenrg, Ian Crossmark, and myself, I've not seen any other video bloggers participate in the CNN / YouTube Debate Program. Is there an overall reason for this? Or that it's YouTube? CNN Washington Bureau Chief Dave Bohrman was expecting more of a production effort, like what many videobloggers here turn in. I'm curious to see the feedback on this, if any. Meanwhile, here's my latest entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwRVDDyiHk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: CNN / YouTube Debates - Who's In?
Personally I thought the responses to Mary's question was less than adequate. They kept saying that they were fine with a union. I dont think, and I could be wrong, that was what was asked though? David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ive just been watching some of the debate on the CNN website and I see your question made it, cool. Any thoughts on how it went, the responses etc? Did it feel worthwhile? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mcmpress mcmpress@ wrote: Here's our entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jodTIw1ZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1jodTIw1ZY To be featured on ABC World News Tonight this coming Sunday night. - Mary Jen videopancakes.com http://www.videopancakes.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian@ wrote: Hey, Tell me something... for the questions that were asked... did any of the candidates actually answer those questions. (And I mean actually answer... not just start talking about something else that had nothing to do with the actual question... and never get around to giving any actual answer.) (BTW... so far... the only candidate that seems interesting to me is Ron Paul.) See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News http://vlograzor.com/ On 7/20/07, Zenophon Abraham thisiswar3005@ wrote: Hey Terry, I do agree. The vast majority of entries concern education. It seems that people -- logically in retrospect -- use this debate as an opportunity to present their concerns rather than ask the question that makes or breaks a president. Here's my latest -- and possibility final -- entry. This one on Hugo Chaves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3p6Ae6Mtdc Zennie --- terry.rendon terry.rendon@ wrote: I made clip video today taking a look at the more eccentric videos, you can watch it here http://blip.tv/file/310088 . I thought there would be better questions asked. I'm entry #103 by the way. Terry Rendon http://www.terryannonline.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, thisiswar3005 thisiswar3005@ wrote: Greetings, Other than Kenrg, Ian Crossmark, and myself, I've not seen any other video bloggers participate in the CNN / YouTube Debate Program. Is there an overall reason for this? Or that it's YouTube? CNN Washington Bureau Chief Dave Bohrman was expecting more of a production effort, like what many videobloggers here turn in. I'm curious to see the feedback on this, if any. Meanwhile, here's my latest entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwRVDDyiHk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
On 7/24/07, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I S wanted to go to the vloggies last yearso I bought the buddy passes for my wife and I and set an open date for LA to go to the vloggies this year. Now I wonder if I didn't just waste a bunch of money Not to worry, Heath, at this rate I think its safe to say some alternative community event will be happening in LA at about the same time. :-P I think its interesting how PodTech says in one breath how they want the vloggies to be a community event ... but it seems to me (and I've been in this community far longer than they have) that PodTech never talks to the 'community' except to toss out vague insinuations that Lan was somehow partly to blame for their violating his license. I've seen nothing from PodTech (EVER, not just in this mess) to suggest to me that the above quotes from 'valerie' isn't going to be their standard operating procedure now that Irina isn't there. Irina did them a great service as liaison to the community ... the folks who are trying to pick up the role at the moment aren't nearly as effective. I'm sure PodTech is working very closely with the money bags in the world to make sure the 'vloggies' is going to be just exactly what the sponsors want it to be, and reward those vloggers which the sponsors want to promote. blah blah blah ... same old thing I guess. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Heath, There is no CYA or spin machine only honest conversation. I'm sorry that you feel that way Heath. I don't think people want a rehash of the Lan issue but to your points 1) There is no issue with Lan we made a mistake and it was resolved. I don't know if you're referring to my moms death last month but the Lan issue was before then. 2) The only thing that I'm hiding on the Lan issue is my private conversation with Lan that resolved the matter before it was even talked about beyond his blog post. That is a private conversation between me and Lan. 3) The vloggies was a great event for all and yes we spent money and didn't make a profit - it was an investment to support the growing community and industry that was forming .. I'd rather talk with folks about how people are working together to innovate the formats, support advertising, new studio ideas, emerging networks forming ... there is much to discuss ...I agree with you Heath it's not about silly videos but emerging producers and good content. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:19 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I had the opportunity to purchase some buddy passes about a month ago...I have missed so many vlogging get togeteher's I was detirmed, not to miss another one. I S wanted to go to the vloggies last yearso I bought the buddy passes for my wife and I and set an open date for LA to go to the vloggies this year. Now I wonder if I didn't just waste a bunch of moneyI have kept my mouth shut through most of this debate but I can't hold my tounge any longer. (be warned, my spelling will probably suck and I may not always be liner here cause I am flying off the cuff)... Thismess... and let's be frank and honest, this is a mess...makes me sad and angryit started with Lan's picture and continues with this, in my opinion, spin machine working in full forceI don't know John or Robert or anyone at Podtech personaly but based on your comments and actions it seems to be alot of CYA going on here and quite franky it's making you all look like jerks...you want examples? 1 when the mess with Lan came to the attention of this group, you used the death of a loved one of someone who worked for you as an excuseTHAT IS SICKINGsomeone lost a loved one and it was used to try and garner sympathyI am left speachless at such a thoughtless act 2 you admitted your mistake with conditions attached, paraphrasing here, yeah, we were wrong but there is more to the story, we can't talk about itdamnit be a man and just say we messed up and we will make it right...everytime I heard a yeah, but from you guys, it made me think YOU had something to hide, not anyone else 3 you have the nerve in the middle of all this to talk about how much money you lost on the vloggies and how people should be cutting you slack for all the good you have doneperhaps you have done a lot of good, perhaps you will do good in the future but right know, you are doing damage to yourself and Podtechright or wrong we are judged by our every actionyour actions are speaking loud and clear... Heck even if you don't believe you did anything wrong, if you had just sucked it up and put on a good face you could have avoided most of the ill will that you are experiencing now with this communtiy.the people on this list care about what happens in this community, they care about their friends and they care about this medium and we are passionate about it. We arn't just making silly video's we believe in what the promise of the medium represents you can continue to operate the way you always have and hope to ride this outor you can start listening and learningthe choice is yours Podtech.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50- 17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I am racing off to a shoot this morning so I will probably chime in a bit more later, but I have been very disturbed by so much in these threads. Before leaving, I wanted to note two things: 1) The repeated references to videoblogging as the industry. 2) The reference in a recent podtech post to more content from video pros. I have nothing - NOTHING - against people making money, or people making GOOD money, from videoblogging, or any other media activity. I would be a hypocrite otherwise: while I am not what one would call a commercial filmmaker or musician based on what I produce, my living is made in those worlds, some of if directly or indirectly from my own work, and while I continue to eschew advertising (I *might* feel differently if I got to pick who the advertisers were), I am all for artists, entertainers, and alternative media people making a living at it if they want to. I also shiver at the words talent and content, but the people placed in those categories by those holding the pursestrings have been at the bottom of the food chain for way way way way way too long. The relationships need to move from the parasitic to the symbiotic side of the scale. But if media companies succeed in narrowing the general perception of videoblogging down to an industry of pros, the potential of this revolutionary medium to do so many things for so many - opening up new channels of expression for the previously unheard, the development of communities based on new forms of communication, the advancement of the art of the moving image and its language, and perhaps most importantly the breaking down of the stifling, narrow, suffocatingly dull range of media options and opportunities economically dictated in their mania for predictable financial outcomes by old media, by the high-finance side of the art world, and by the now star-driven field of independent film - will be lost. (oh, and apparently the need to create run on sentences like the one above ;-) I don't want to have to find another word besides videoblogging to describe that side of what I do, but much of the recent dialog makes me worry that I will soon have to. A couple of other things: 3) Blip is indeed a wonderful model of what businesses in this new world can be. 4) Irina, who I have never met, seems to be a force of nature in this community - the good kind - and I hope in the long term this opens up more opportunities for her. 5) I remain optimistic about the potential for this medium. I want to be clear - this is not an anti-moneymaking rant. But please please please lets keep videoblogging from going down the road indie film went: becoming a slightly edgier copycat of the same world it hoped to be an alternative to. Sure there's room for blatantly commercial and old-media-like work, but let's keep the term, the field, the form, viably and visibly open, so that new voices, new possibiities, and alternative and groundbreaking work - in whatever form they take - are the point rather than the exceptions. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Videoblogger Needed: Aug 16th near Monterey, CA
NIna Simonds will be in Aptos, CA, near Monterey on Aug 16th and would like someone to shoot a video interview with her for her videoblog, Spices of Life. If you are interested, email me off list. This is a paying gig. Thanks, --Steve http://stevegarfield.com Http://spicesoflife.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I don't get you John. Cherry picked Valerie's comments? Look at what she said - I included almost everything. I was trying to keep the email as short and relevant as possible. I also linked to the whole page so anyone could go read it for themselves. BTW, Scoble didn't think it was cherry picking when I brought it up last year: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/48448 Again, here's the page with Valerie's coments: http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 Maybe you're right and you guys are better off not talking about things publicly. You certainly aren't helping your situation. Oh and for the record, the vloggies didn't start out as a PodTech specific event - Irina was talking about the vloggies before she went to work at PodTech. You guys saw the opportunity for a community event after people started hearing about your plans. On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember your point last year and the Vloggies concept started out as a PodTech specific event (where you cherry picked Valerie's comments) we quickly saw that it was an opportunity for a community event. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
John - I owe you an apology, I did not realize until after I sent the message it was your mother who had passed away. I got confused and did not realize it was Robert who had made the comment. It may not mean much now but I am truely sorry for your loss. I should have checked before I wrote my note, no excuse on my part... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heath, There is no CYA or spin machine only honest conversation. I'm sorry that you feel that way Heath. I don't think people want a rehash of the Lan issue but to your points 1) There is no issue with Lan we made a mistake and it was resolved. I don't know if you're referring to my moms death last month but the Lan issue was before then. 2) The only thing that I'm hiding on the Lan issue is my private conversation with Lan that resolved the matter before it was even talked about beyond his blog post. That is a private conversation between me and Lan. 3) The vloggies was a great event for all and yes we spent money and didn't make a profit - it was an investment to support the growing community and industry that was forming .. I'd rather talk with folks about how people are working together to innovate the formats, support advertising, new studio ideas, emerging networks forming ... there is much to discuss ...I agree with you Heath it's not about silly videos but emerging producers and good content. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:19 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I had the opportunity to purchase some buddy passes about a month ago...I have missed so many vlogging get togeteher's I was detirmed, not to miss another one. I S wanted to go to the vloggies last yearso I bought the buddy passes for my wife and I and set an open date for LA to go to the vloggies this year. Now I wonder if I didn't just waste a bunch of moneyI have kept my mouth shut through most of this debate but I can't hold my tounge any longer. (be warned, my spelling will probably suck and I may not always be liner here cause I am flying off the cuff)... Thismess... and let's be frank and honest, this is a mess...makes me sad and angryit started with Lan's picture and continues with this, in my opinion, spin machine working in full forceI don't know John or Robert or anyone at Podtech personaly but based on your comments and actions it seems to be alot of CYA going on here and quite franky it's making you all look like jerks...you want examples? 1 when the mess with Lan came to the attention of this group, you used the death of a loved one of someone who worked for you as an excuseTHAT IS SICKINGsomeone lost a loved one and it was used to try and garner sympathyI am left speachless at such a thoughtless act 2 you admitted your mistake with conditions attached, paraphrasing here, yeah, we were wrong but there is more to the story, we can't talk about itdamnit be a man and just say we messed up and we will make it right...everytime I heard a yeah, but from you guys, it made me think YOU had something to hide, not anyone else 3 you have the nerve in the middle of all this to talk about how much money you lost on the vloggies and how people should be cutting you slack for all the good you have doneperhaps you have done a lot of good, perhaps you will do good in the future but right know, you are doing damage to yourself and Podtechright or wrong we are judged by our every actionyour actions are speaking loud and clear... Heck even if you don't believe you did anything wrong, if you had just sucked it up and put on a good face you could have avoided most of the ill will that you are experiencing now with this communtiy.the people on this list care about what happens in this community, they care about their friends and they care about this medium and we are passionate about it. We arn't just making silly video's we believe in what the promise of the medium represents you can continue to operate the way you always have and hope to ride this outor you can start listening and learningthe choice is yours Podtech.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi michaelverdi@ wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really
[videoblogging] non-ad alliance (was Re: PodTech update)
Cool, sorry for not replying sooner. I guess a problem is that its easy for me to talk negative about advertising, not so easy to see a clear alternative for an alliance to focus on. I guess if ads sponsorship are out, then alternative are donations, subscriptions, merchandise sales, art grants, keeping the day job, umm what else am I forgetting? I know there ahve been some fine efforts by some people here to do all they can for the donations model. I havent really seeen anybody playing with the subscription idea, I guess it is risky. Most of these things still need a certain scale to work, just like ads. If you make it to a certain level, the good old ways of making money open themselves up to people, but I still dont know how it can be scaled down to work for the masses. My mind always wanders to some sort of micropayment system, but I havent really a clue how it could actually work. Maybe if/when one of the commercial new media networks becomes sucessful, it may be worthwhile thinking about a non-commercial network that still has some money in it somehow, oh I dunno, it would just be nice if vloggers could achieve something for all by coming together, but enabling any profit to be fully reused by the members, rather than the hosting site of whatever being the ones who can capitalise from the masses? Less than half-baked, I know. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/18/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My fears and rants about advertising seldom meet with much response, so I imagine nobody wants to form an alliance for downloadable media that is untouched by advertising and all that goes with it. Well, fair enough, many peoples only hopes of making money through vlogs involves advertising, just be aware that this means dealing with companies who handle this stuff, and that they will generally behave as companies always do, nothing has really changed in the web 2 era that would cause web 2 companies to have a different nature to that which has gone before. I would join that alliance, Steve. Because not only do I not like ads, but I have come to the conclusion that they are only minimally effective in blog. -- Stephanie Bryant Author, Videoblogging for Dummies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Michael, Sorry about the choice of word there...I meant to say that it was discussed as podtech event and Valerie works in marketing so she was taking a podtech oriented stance... sorry From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I don't get you John. Cherry picked Valerie's comments? Look at what she said - I included almost everything. I was trying to keep the email as short and relevant as possible. I also linked to the whole page so anyone could go read it for themselves. BTW, Scoble didn't think it was cherry picking when I brought it up last year: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/48448 Again, here's the page with Valerie's coments: http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 Maybe you're right and you guys are better off not talking about things publicly. You certainly aren't helping your situation. Oh and for the record, the vloggies didn't start out as a PodTech specific event - Irina was talking about the vloggies before she went to work at PodTech. You guys saw the opportunity for a community event after people started hearing about your plans. On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:john%40podtech.net wrote: I remember your point last year and the Vloggies concept started out as a PodTech specific event (where you cherry picked Valerie's comments) we quickly saw that it was an opportunity for a community event. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I wasn't trying to rehash the Lan issue, but my frustration has been building since then, there were a ton and I do feel like it was a ton of mistakes in how that issue was handled, you're right though, as far as Lan and you are concerned (to my knowledge) it is resolved. But try and understand, that it went from Lan, straight to Irina and now the concern with the vloggies3 major things in about a month's timeyou are talking, that's greatbut actions will always speak louder than words Maybe you've just had a bad month or soI don't know, things happen and there is generaly a cycle to events...but I don't know any of you personaly, I only know what I read and my opinions are being formed by that.and to be honest I don't know what to think Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heath, There is no CYA or spin machine only honest conversation. I'm sorry that you feel that way Heath. I don't think people want a rehash of the Lan issue but to your points 1) There is no issue with Lan we made a mistake and it was resolved. I don't know if you're referring to my moms death last month but the Lan issue was before then. 2) The only thing that I'm hiding on the Lan issue is my private conversation with Lan that resolved the matter before it was even talked about beyond his blog post. That is a private conversation between me and Lan. 3) The vloggies was a great event for all and yes we spent money and didn't make a profit - it was an investment to support the growing community and industry that was forming .. I'd rather talk with folks about how people are working together to innovate the formats, support advertising, new studio ideas, emerging networks forming ... there is much to discuss ...I agree with you Heath it's not about silly videos but emerging producers and good content. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:19 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I had the opportunity to purchase some buddy passes about a month ago...I have missed so many vlogging get togeteher's I was detirmed, not to miss another one. I S wanted to go to the vloggies last yearso I bought the buddy passes for my wife and I and set an open date for LA to go to the vloggies this year. Now I wonder if I didn't just waste a bunch of moneyI have kept my mouth shut through most of this debate but I can't hold my tounge any longer. (be warned, my spelling will probably suck and I may not always be liner here cause I am flying off the cuff)... Thismess... and let's be frank and honest, this is a mess...makes me sad and angryit started with Lan's picture and continues with this, in my opinion, spin machine working in full forceI don't know John or Robert or anyone at Podtech personaly but based on your comments and actions it seems to be alot of CYA going on here and quite franky it's making you all look like jerks...you want examples? 1 when the mess with Lan came to the attention of this group, you used the death of a loved one of someone who worked for you as an excuseTHAT IS SICKINGsomeone lost a loved one and it was used to try and garner sympathyI am left speachless at such a thoughtless act 2 you admitted your mistake with conditions attached, paraphrasing here, yeah, we were wrong but there is more to the story, we can't talk about itdamnit be a man and just say we messed up and we will make it right...everytime I heard a yeah, but from you guys, it made me think YOU had something to hide, not anyone else 3 you have the nerve in the middle of all this to talk about how much money you lost on the vloggies and how people should be cutting you slack for all the good you have doneperhaps you have done a lot of good, perhaps you will do good in the future but right know, you are doing damage to yourself and Podtechright or wrong we are judged by our every actionyour actions are speaking loud and clear... Heck even if you don't believe you did anything wrong, if you had just sucked it up and put on a good face you could have avoided most of the ill will that you are experiencing now with this communtiy.the people on this list care about what happens in this community, they care about their friends and they care about this medium and we are passionate about it. We arn't just making silly video's we believe in what the promise of the medium represents you can continue to operate the way you always have and hope to ride this outor you can start listening and learningthe choice is yours Podtech.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%
Re: [videoblogging] non-ad alliance (was Re: PodTech update)
On 7/24/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there ahve been some fine efforts by some people here to do all they can for the donations model. I havent really seeen anybody playing with the subscription idea, I guess it is risky. My mind always wanders to some sort of micropayment system, but I havent really a clue how it could actually work. Steve, We're trying to address this with Show In A Box - http://showinabox.tv A big piece that's missing at the moment is a new version of the Pledge Drive system that Devlon built for Have Money Will Vlog. What we want is a WordPress plugin that can connect to your paypal account giving you the ability to receive recurring subscriptions along with one-time payments. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Group Hug love Schlomo On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Sorry about the choice of word there...I meant to say that it was discussed as podtech event and Valerie works in marketing so she was taking a podtech oriented stance... sorry From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I don't get you John. Cherry picked Valerie's comments? Look at what she said - I included almost everything. I was trying to keep the email as short and relevant as possible. I also linked to the whole page so anyone could go read it for themselves. BTW, Scoble didn't think it was cherry picking when I brought it up last year: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/48448 Again, here's the page with Valerie's coments: http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 Maybe you're right and you guys are better off not talking about things publicly. You certainly aren't helping your situation. Oh and for the record, the vloggies didn't start out as a PodTech specific event - Irina was talking about the vloggies before she went to work at PodTech. You guys saw the opportunity for a community event after people started hearing about your plans. On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] john%40podtech.netmailto: john% john%2540podtech.net wrote: I remember your point last year and the Vloggies concept started out as a PodTech specific event (where you cherry picked Valerie's comments) we quickly saw that it was an opportunity for a community event. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I just thought since everyone is talking on this post I should too. Just for fun. I don't understand why everyone is a little mad about the whole Vloggies thing. It is a little shady if they did get the trademark name that Irina made up and worked so hard on The Vloggies. But if they have the rights to it, just like before, ( i think Kent said something) the awards shows will be handled just like the history of the emmy's other popular award shows. So if they say they are going to handle it like that, I mean what can we do? Nothing, except like a protest.That is kind of what it sounds like Verdi mentioned in previous e mails. Oh well..I just think the power is out of each individuals hands and is more in the power or PodTech for them to do whatev they want. oh yea what was the reasoning for me to post this? oh.. just for fun...
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Word.. thank for the hug Scholmo.. we all needed it
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Ok great. Now with Irina not at PodTech this year, what are your plans? My impression of last year was that it was Irina that kept it from being the kind of thing that Valerie was talking about. - Verdi On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Sorry about the choice of word there...I meant to say that it was discussed as podtech event and Valerie works in marketing so she was taking a podtech oriented stance... sorry -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
I strongly agree with this. I realize it's business as usual for more traditional media businesses to use award shows as a way to scratch the backs of their VIPs and biggest stakeholders, but I find something like that entirely disingenuous in the case of PodTech and the Vloggies. Not only that, but it's bad business sense in a market where the largest stakeholders are ill defined and change every few months. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Thanks I needed that. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: schlomo rabinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:24:07 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) Group Hug love Schlomo On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:john%40podtech.net net wrote: Michael, Sorry about the choice of word there...I meant to say that it was discussed as podtech event and Valerie works in marketing so she was taking a podtech oriented stance... sorry From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Verdi Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:58 AM To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) I don't get you John. Cherry picked Valerie's comments? Look at what she said - I included almost everything. I was trying to keep the email as short and relevant as possible. I also linked to the whole page so anyone could go read it for themselves. BTW, Scoble didn't think it was cherry picking when I brought it up last year: http://tech. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/48448 groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/48448 Again, here's the page with Valerie's coments: http://vloggies. http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 Maybe you're right and you guys are better off not talking about things publicly. You certainly aren't helping your situation. Oh and for the record, the vloggies didn't start out as a PodTech specific event - Irina was talking about the vloggies before she went to work at PodTech. You guys saw the opportunity for a community event after people started hearing about your plans. On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:john%40podtech.net net john%40podtech.netmailto: john% john%2540podtech.net wrote: I remember your point last year and the Vloggies concept started out as a PodTech specific event (where you cherry picked Valerie's comments) we quickly saw that it was an opportunity for a community event. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi http://michaelverdi.com .com http://spinxpress. http://spinxpress.com com http://freevlog. http://freevlog.org org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl. http://tinyurl.com/me4vs com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/62897;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NzdpNmdyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRtc2dJZAM2MjkyMARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExODUyOTA2NDkEdHBjSWQDNjI4OTc- (0) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYjVodGozBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRtc2dJZAM2MjkyMARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExODUyOTA2NDk-?act=replymessageNum=62920 Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZTluNHVuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzExODUyOTA2NDk- Messages http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcXFmdDRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzExODUyOTA2NDk- | Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJnY3VoZnEzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMTg1MjkwNjQ5 | Polls http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYWx0ZnFuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwRzdGltZQMxMTg1MjkwNjQ5 http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbnF1OTlpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTE4NTI5MDY0OQ-- Change settings via the Web http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNmE2N2FyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyODA1NjY2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTU1NDAyMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMTg1MjkwNjQ5 (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery: Digest | Switch format to Traditional mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery Format: Traditional Visit Your Group
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
The whole Podtech Affair (Irina, Lan, Vloggies, the public defenses from Scoble and Furrier) reeks of traditional (old) media, old business. Instead of standing up for something or for other people, we are left with nothing but a diluted, tasteless word salad. On 24/07/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I strongly agree with this. I realize it's business as usual for more traditional media businesses to use award shows as a way to scratch the backs of their VIPs and biggest stakeholders, but I find something like that entirely disingenuous in the case of PodTech and the Vloggies. Not only that, but it's bad business sense in a market where the largest stakeholders are ill defined and change every few months. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]digitalfilmmaker%40gmail.com wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
yea i don't like word salad.. that much Although. Schlomo hugs are nice.. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole Podtech Affair (Irina, Lan, Vloggies, the public defenses from Scoble and Furrier) reeks of traditional (old) media, old business. Instead of standing up for something or for other people, we are left with nothing but a diluted, tasteless word salad.
Re: [videoblogging] non-ad alliance (was Re: PodTech update)
i think in addition to pledgedrive for wordpress, it is important to have something that doesnt rely on any specific publishing engine. something to keep in mind. On 7/24/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/24/07, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] steve%40dvmachine.com wrote: I know there ahve been some fine efforts by some people here to do all they can for the donations model. I havent really seeen anybody playing with the subscription idea, I guess it is risky. My mind always wanders to some sort of micropayment system, but I havent really a clue how it could actually work. Steve, We're trying to address this with Show In A Box - http://showinabox.tv A big piece that's missing at the moment is a new version of the Pledge Drive system that Devlon built for Have Money Will Vlog. What we want is a WordPress plugin that can connect to your paypal account giving you the ability to receive recurring subscriptions along with one-time payments. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Yeah, I know what you mean - I'm not a huge fan of awards shows either (except when I win lots of money by betting on the Oscars), but I don't like the idea of community awards - I'd rather they were handled by Podtech (or whoever) and treated honestly for what they are. Whatever community love Irina brought to the table, that thing you quoted from the wiki just goes to show that Awards Shows are pretty much a commercial concept at heart. They're not a level-playing-field community thing to reward individuals for individual artistic achievement. Popular shows win, because they get more votes. Popular shows tend to be commercial show concepts rather than, say, personal videoblogs. So in the end the main benefactors of awards are popular shows who can then put up banners saying Winner of 5 vloggies and tell that to their viewers and the press. That might help Ask A Ninja or Galacticast or Ze Frank who benefit from being seen by the maximum number of people because they have mass appeal. Personally, i don't feel that if I won an award (best shouting into a cellphone camera on the streets of London?) it would boost my audience in any lasting way, since the very few people who want to watch and subscribe to some british tit shouting into his phone over the internet are pretty much going to find me anyway. I like my community to be without judgement and ranking. I don't want my community to tell me that there's some other london cellphone shouter they like more than me, or to tell that person that they like me more. What does that mean? It probably means the winner was able to marshal more friends and family to go online and vote. So I'd prefer it if we didn't have a community awards. I'm quite happy for Podtech and the corporate mass-appeal boys and girls to do their commercial Awards thing and compete for promotional opportunities, while the rest of us just get on with making our videos and connecting with people, for whatever bizarre reasons. Then if any awards drop out of the sky, it's easier to accept them while taking a moment to be humble enough to know that it doesn't mean we're the best at anything - just that some people voted. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:06, Michael Verdi wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people wanted one and that PodTech was determined to put one on that I tried to help make it good by offering suggestions and by being a judge. The main factor that had it be successful (though I guess PodTech lost money on it) was Irina. She was really the keeper of the Vloggies soul. Had it been left up to others at PodTech, we would have seen something much different. Here's a quote by PodTech's Valerie Cunningham (emphasis is her's) from the vloggies wiki back in August last year - http://vloggies.pbwiki.com/FrontPage.2006-08-21-17-50-17 : VALERIE: [snip] - To be clear: there are two awards per category: Favorite category name and Community Choice Award We are giving OUR chosen favorite an award, and then announcing the community's choice. [snip] - We need to think of the categories in line with PodTech's affiliate content roadmap, ie Tech, News, Entertainment, Politics, Lifestyle pretty much in that order. Also, we need to think global. PodTech India is in the content roadmap. Obviously it's pretty broad. WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR FAVORITE CATEGORY WINNERS ARE RIGHT NOW. Simple who are our target affiliate/sister videoblog sites? Top 50 across all the categories. [snip] - So let's refine these categories please with above in mind and I'd like to see the top 50 list or whatever we should know who we want to come to this event, who PodTech's VIPs are in this community, so to speak again in line with our affiliate goals, etc. Can we see that list by Wed this week, Irina? This is the direction things were headed before we started talking about it here. With Irina no longer at PodTech is this how things will go this time? John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that
[videoblogging] NewTeeVee Metacafe Screenings Competition
I just found the NewTeeVee Metacafe Pier Screenings. It's a monthly event. Audience-voted winners get featured on Metacafe also win a hard drive. There's one Tonight - Tues 24th - at 6.30pm. It's in San Francisco, but anybody can submit videos. I have. Each screening has a theme. You can submit your own films that fit the theme to their Ning site at: http://screenings.newteevee.com/ and users will rate them. The six videos with the best ratings get screened at the event. And the top 3 that win the audience vote at the event get featured on Metacafe and get $5 per 1000 views. And win a big external hard drive. This month the theme is 'When Content=Advertising', focussing on commercial videos videos that cross the line into advertising. Irina Co are way out in front for the Doncha iPhone video (the Theme is being liberally interpreted) - which if you haven't seen, you should check out at the link above and rate it. It's great. I've also submitted my video of the scary poster that I set to Adam Quirk's Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime. If you feel like watching and rating it, that'd be cool too. You need to sign up with a Ning ID to submit videos, vote rate - you can use the same ID you use on other Ning sites like Jetset's Mix. The event is tonight at 6.30pm at the Sony theater on 4th St in San Francisco. God. All I do these days is post things from NewTeeVee. I'm not being paid by them. Honest. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
This is the reason that corporations don't like a net neutral internet. You want to know why Net Neutrality is going to go away? This is the reason. I don't really have much to say bad or good about podtech, but the way this whole thing with Lan Irina is going down must be extremely uncomfortable for Podtech, as a corporation. Corporations don't do this stuff, and when they do, they don't do it well. They're too big and they're too slow to interact in the manner that people act on the internet. Transparency is an anathema to a corporation. And, please, don't think that this is directed solely at Podtech, it is just a tangible example. John wants to do this off list because that's how business is done. Business is done in private, the details of the deals are kept out of the public eye. It's much easier to handle there. Lawyers and courts are a fact of life for corporate business. Conducting business in daylight in public is a serious problem because the end result cannot be predicted. There are no procedural rules in this environment, and it's impossible to know how the dialogue will ebb and flow. In court, or on the phone in private, it's much easier to control the situation. The possibilities are finite. On a list like this they are not. Press releases, commercial ads, and such are one way communication. Information delivered from on high, in one direction, with the full faith and credit of, say, the NYT, is hard to counter as a single person. It's much easier to get what you want when you can't be called out in public by a smart, passionate person or persons. Now Podtech is not really the kind of Corporation that I have problems with... yet. They are more akin to us than to Sony, which is why they are on this list and are participating as best they can. I understand that some people don't like the blanket condemnation that my gripes against 'the corporation' sound like, but it's very hard to come up with language that effectively communicates the nuances between big giant corporations and small ones, and besides, the only thing stopping small corporations from becoming large ones is the amount of money they make. Once they hit critical mass and get the power to flood the world with their message and to legislate and lawyer their will without serious challenge, they become the target of my arguments. So what am I saying here? I'm just saying that Corporations should not be looked at as artificial people. They should not be writing our laws. They should not be filtering our news. They should not be electing our public officials. Corporations should be able to do business, and should have the limited liability to protect them from unforeseen mistakes and consequences of their business, but they should still be responsible for malfeasance. Incorporating should protect a company from mistakes and unintended consequences, but it should not be a get out of jail free card, as it is today. Net Neutrality is our equalizer. We, regular old people can have just as shiny an image, just as wide a reach, and just as clean a path to reach people as a big giant corporation. They structural advantages of entities with an equivalent GDP of small European countries is mitigated, as much as it can be. It sets up a near meritocracy, which is a good thing. Much better than a plutocracy. Anyway, John, Robert, I commend you for trying to get in front of things on this list, but you're in dangerous waters. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. This list is the ultimate in responsibility for a corporation, and could do you worlds of good within the community that is driving your business. It also can bite, very hard, as I'm sure you're feeling right now. For those of you on the list, take a look at how things are working. This is the power of net neutrality. We're on a level playing field, information is democratized or a 'free market' for those of you with that persuasion. If we're not careful, it's going to go away. The sway and power of the passionate and enlightened people on this list will go away because nobody will have the patience to wait for the 'transaction' of information. The same holds true of our videoblogs and video podcasts, but even moreso, because of the large size of the files. If we want to participate - to do shows, to check the PodTechs, the Heavy.coms, Magnify.nets, and such, to have a say in the development of the digital commons, please stick your neck out for net neutrality. I guess I'll quit now. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog http://pawsitivevybe.com On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:48 AM, John Furrier wrote: Ken, Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while
[videoblogging] Re: Help with: Inconsistent Audio Sample Rate
Apparently when QuickTime upgraded to 7.2, for those of us using Flip4Mac to export our videos into a .wmv format, we started getting this error message. Supposedly the QuickTime people at Apple and the staff at Flip4Mac are working to resolve the issue. In the meantime even when I am able to export a .wmv video, using an older QuickTime version, the sound sync is off. It is off by about a half a second. Now I need to figure out some new audio compression rates that might generate the proper sync. Any suggestions? Flip4mac is offering a work around that can be seen at: http://www.flip4mac.com/knowledge/kb_0070.htm I have not had time to try this yet. Thanks, Michael www.poetryvlog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, André Sala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also having this issue -- I think it was due to the recent QuickTime update. I'll post again if I'm able to completely resolve! On 7/21/07, Bookmarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fellow videobloggers: Every week for more than a year I have created about a five minute video of a poet reading his or her poetry. Each week the video is exported from iMovie into .mov, .wmv and .m4v formats. This week when I attempted to export the latest video into the .wmv format I get the alert message, Inconsistent Audio Sample Rate. The media you are exporting contains audio with multiple sample rates. The video will compress (export) properly to .mov and .m4v, but not to .wmv. I have tried exporting from iMovie, Final Cut Express HD, and QuickTime and the same message and failure occurs. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michael www.poetryvlog.com
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about Florence (you know, the place in Italy)? I may be able to organize something there if anyone's interested... vlog awards in florence?! y'all buried the lede. all winners to stay in a villa in fiesole. ci veddiamo dopo. daniel, pouringdown.tv
Re: [videoblogging] NewTeeVee Metacafe Screenings Competition
So who all is going tonight? Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE on ahref=http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes; target=_blankiTunes/a On Jul 24, 2007, at 4:56 AM, Rupert wrote: I just found the NewTeeVee Metacafe Pier Screenings. It's a monthly event. Audience-voted winners get featured on Metacafe also win a hard drive. There's one Tonight - Tues 24th - at 6.30pm. It's in San Francisco, but anybody can submit videos. I have. Each screening has a theme. You can submit your own films that fit the theme to their Ning site at: http://screenings.newteevee.com/ and users will rate them. The six videos with the best ratings get screened at the event. And the top 3 that win the audience vote at the event get featured on Metacafe and get $5 per 1000 views. And win a big external hard drive. This month the theme is 'When Content=Advertising', focussing on commercial videos videos that cross the line into advertising. Irina Co are way out in front for the Doncha iPhone video (the Theme is being liberally interpreted) - which if you haven't seen, you should check out at the link above and rate it. It's great. I've also submitted my video of the scary poster that I set to Adam Quirk's Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime. If you feel like watching and rating it, that'd be cool too. You need to sign up with a Ning ID to submit videos, vote rate - you can use the same ID you use on other Ning sites like Jetset's Mix. The event is tonight at 6.30pm at the Sony theater on 4th St in San Francisco. God. All I do these days is post things from NewTeeVee. I'm not being paid by them. Honest. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Thanks Ron. I'm happy to talk about stuff publically but as you said some stuff is handled in private. I am a big believer in net neutrality. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:57 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone This is the reason that corporations don't like a net neutral internet. You want to know why Net Neutrality is going to go away? This is the reason. I don't really have much to say bad or good about podtech, but the way this whole thing with Lan Irina is going down must be extremely uncomfortable for Podtech, as a corporation. Corporations don't do this stuff, and when they do, they don't do it well. They're too big and they're too slow to interact in the manner that people act on the internet. Transparency is an anathema to a corporation. And, please, don't think that this is directed solely at Podtech, it is just a tangible example. John wants to do this off list because that's how business is done. Business is done in private, the details of the deals are kept out of the public eye. It's much easier to handle there. Lawyers and courts are a fact of life for corporate business. Conducting business in daylight in public is a serious problem because the end result cannot be predicted. There are no procedural rules in this environment, and it's impossible to know how the dialogue will ebb and flow. In court, or on the phone in private, it's much easier to control the situation. The possibilities are finite. On a list like this they are not. Press releases, commercial ads, and such are one way communication. Information delivered from on high, in one direction, with the full faith and credit of, say, the NYT, is hard to counter as a single person. It's much easier to get what you want when you can't be called out in public by a smart, passionate person or persons. Now Podtech is not really the kind of Corporation that I have problems with... yet. They are more akin to us than to Sony, which is why they are on this list and are participating as best they can. I understand that some people don't like the blanket condemnation that my gripes against 'the corporation' sound like, but it's very hard to come up with language that effectively communicates the nuances between big giant corporations and small ones, and besides, the only thing stopping small corporations from becoming large ones is the amount of money they make. Once they hit critical mass and get the power to flood the world with their message and to legislate and lawyer their will without serious challenge, they become the target of my arguments. So what am I saying here? I'm just saying that Corporations should not be looked at as artificial people. They should not be writing our laws. They should not be filtering our news. They should not be electing our public officials. Corporations should be able to do business, and should have the limited liability to protect them from unforeseen mistakes and consequences of their business, but they should still be responsible for malfeasance. Incorporating should protect a company from mistakes and unintended consequences, but it should not be a get out of jail free card, as it is today. Net Neutrality is our equalizer. We, regular old people can have just as shiny an image, just as wide a reach, and just as clean a path to reach people as a big giant corporation. They structural advantages of entities with an equivalent GDP of small European countries is mitigated, as much as it can be. It sets up a near meritocracy, which is a good thing. Much better than a plutocracy. Anyway, John, Robert, I commend you for trying to get in front of things on this list, but you're in dangerous waters. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. This list is the ultimate in responsibility for a corporation, and could do you worlds of good within the community that is driving your business. It also can bite, very hard, as I'm sure you're feeling right now. For those of you on the list, take a look at how things are working. This is the power of net neutrality. We're on a level playing field, information is democratized or a 'free market' for those of you with that persuasion. If we're not careful, it's going to go away. The sway and power of the passionate and enlightened people on this list will go away because nobody will have the patience to wait for the 'transaction' of information. The same holds true of our videoblogs and video podcasts, but even moreso, because of the large size of the files. If we want to participate - to do shows, to check the PodTechs, the Heavy.coms, Magnify.nets, and such, to have a say in the development of the digital commons, please stick your neck out for net neutrality. I guess I'll quit now. Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
For what it's worth, Freetime is profoundly unpopular, and we still won a People's Choice for Best Documentary, so this isn't necessarily true. Also, having the Vloggy definitely improved our viewership, as we went from being completely unknown to being only moderately unknown. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime Popular shows win, because they get more votes. Popular shows tend to be commercial show concepts rather than, say, personal videoblogs. So in the end the main benefactors of awards are popular shows who can then put up banners saying Winner of 5 vloggies and tell that to their viewers and the press. That might help Ask A Ninja or Galacticast or Ze Frank who benefit from being seen by the maximum number of people because they have mass appeal.
RE: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
Thanks Jeffrey. I'm sorry that you feel that way. We stand up for video producers and people investing in the space. It can get commercial and I understand the perceptions there. As the net accepts more and more independent producers new talent will emerge. That is my opinion and I'm behind that. PodTech is far from old media and in fact we'll experiment and innovate as much as we can to push the envelope on ideas and creativity. I know others feel the same way - create content, innovate, and push the envelope on new ideas. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Taylor Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:57 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone) The whole Podtech Affair (Irina, Lan, Vloggies, the public defenses from Scoble and Furrier) reeks of traditional (old) media, old business. Instead of standing up for something or for other people, we are left with nothing but a diluted, tasteless word salad. On 24/07/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:wlight%40weatherlight.com wrote: I strongly agree with this. I realize it's business as usual for more traditional media businesses to use award shows as a way to scratch the backs of their VIPs and biggest stakeholders, but I find something like that entirely disingenuous in the case of PodTech and the Vloggies. Not only that, but it's bad business sense in a market where the largest stakeholders are ill defined and change every few months. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime John, this is why you have to talk about this here and not on the phone with someone. If you want to engage this community then engage us. You can't have private, offline conversations about things like this. For everyone else, if you don't like the way PodTech is handling things then DON'T LET THEM HANDLE IT. Don't participate in their awards show and don't accept any awards. If nobody recognizes The Vloggies then it doesn't matter who owns the trademark. If you still want awards then someone will have to organize the community to do it. - Verdi On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:digitalfilmmaker%40gmail.comdigitalfilmmaker%40gmail.com wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] building a demo vlog and need a 250x250 ad. can someone help me out?
Hey everyone, I'm drafting up a demo vlog and I need a 250 x 250 ad to throw in to it. Can someone send me a URL if they know where I can find a 250 x 250 ad? Thank you very much, Chuck
[videoblogging] Re: Help with: Inconsistent Audio Sample Rate
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bookmarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently when QuickTime upgraded to 7.2, for those of us using Flip4Mac to export our videos into a .wmv format, we started getting this error message. Supposedly the QuickTime people at Apple and the staff at Flip4Mac are working to resolve the issue. In the meantime even when I am able to export a .wmv video, using an older QuickTime version, the sound sync is off. It is off by about a half a second. Now I need to figure out some new audio compression rates that might generate the proper sync. Any suggestions? Audio compression rates? Just import your clip into an editor and slide the audio out from under the video. Keep exporting small clips until you hit the proper offset that makes your audio and video sync up in the WMV. -- billcammack Flip4mac is offering a work around that can be seen at: http://www.flip4mac.com/knowledge/kb_0070.htm I have not had time to try this yet. Thanks, Michael www.poetryvlog.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, André Sala andrensala@ wrote: I'm also having this issue -- I think it was due to the recent QuickTime update. I'll post again if I'm able to completely resolve! On 7/21/07, Bookmarts bookmarts@ wrote: Fellow videobloggers: Every week for more than a year I have created about a five minute video of a poet reading his or her poetry. Each week the video is exported from iMovie into .mov, .wmv and .m4v formats. This week when I attempted to export the latest video into the .wmv format I get the alert message, Inconsistent Audio Sample Rate. The media you are exporting contains audio with multiple sample rates. The video will compress (export) properly to .mov and .m4v, but not to .wmv. I have tried exporting from iMovie, Final Cut Express HD, and QuickTime and the same message and failure occurs. Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michael www.poetryvlog.com
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com , John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Please learn my name. It's sloppy and disrespectful. Kent. Nichols. Co-Creator of AskANinja.com. Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Great, how many new advertisers have you and your company brought to the table? Now take Scoble off the table. I agree all ad dollars flowing in the industry is a good thing. But it's going to take years and years and a lot of hard work by countless people to move advertising into online video. But I fail to see the direct result of the your investment in the Vloggies doing that. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. I sent a message to the ADM, and received no response. I spoke to a few members and they said they were at a meeting a few months ago and the were surprised that they had joined this group and the announcement caught them off guard. Having a single meeting and throwing up a web site isn't making a coalition. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a 'land grab' as you say. I'm exploring and having conversations with partners about the format of the Vloggies this year. Although we trademarked the term we are happy to work with any group with ideas to make it open like we did last year. Great. Form a non-profit with board members from various companies and give the trademark to that non-profit. We are in business to make money and do the right thing to grow with the industry. As a company we do make good business decisions and make some mistakes. Yeah a photo was accidentally used and some people didn't get their Vloggies on time - our bad but not intentional. If more great content can continue to come out from video pros (on PodTech or other network and sites) and more advertisers continue to accelerate their sponsorship and advertising efforts then I'm happy and the mistakes don't seem that bad. At the end of the day we are all part of a growing ecosystem and the goal of PodTech and the Vloggies is working with our peers in this ecosystem. These mistakes don't seem that bad to you because you are the one that made them. Shitting all over creative commons, and then claiming it wasn't about the money is ludicrous. Undermining the sense of community in this industry by trying to own the awards show is the height of arrogance and lameness. John, I'm begging you to form a non-profit. Let the awards live there. It will happen with or without you, and it may as well be with you and your trademark. -- Kent Nichols http://askaninja.com http://askaninja.com/ http://hopeisemo.com http://hopeisemo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Kent, We are not shitting on the creative commons. We are proponents of it. A mistake was made plain and simple. Sorry about misspelling your name I know it's Kent not Ken. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:39 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, Please learn my name. It's sloppy and disrespectful. Kent. Nichols. Co-Creator of AskANinja.com. Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Great, how many new advertisers have you and your company brought to the table? Now take Scoble off the table. I agree all ad dollars flowing in the industry is a good thing. But it's going to take years and years and a lot of hard work by countless people to move advertising into online video. But I fail to see the direct result of the your investment in the Vloggies doing that. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. I sent a message to the ADM, and received no response. I spoke to a few members and they said they were at a meeting a few months ago and the were surprised that they had joined this group and the announcement caught them off guard. Having a single meeting and throwing up a web site isn't making a coalition. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a 'land grab' as you say. I'm exploring and having conversations with partners about the format of the Vloggies this year. Although we trademarked the term we are happy to work with any group with ideas to make it open like we did last year. Great. Form a non-profit with board members from various companies and give the trademark to that non-profit. We are in business to make money and do the right thing to grow with the industry. As a company we do make good business decisions and make some mistakes. Yeah a photo was accidentally used and some people didn't get their Vloggies on time - our bad but not intentional. If more great content can continue to come out from video pros (on PodTech or other network and sites) and more advertisers continue to accelerate their sponsorship and advertising efforts then I'm happy and the mistakes don't seem that bad. At the end of the day we are all part of a growing ecosystem and the goal of PodTech and the Vloggies is working with our peers in this ecosystem. These mistakes don't seem that bad to you because you are the one that made them. Shitting all over creative commons, and then claiming it wasn't about the money is ludicrous. Undermining the sense of community in this industry by trying to own the awards show is the height of arrogance and lameness. John, I'm begging you to form a non-profit. Let the awards live there. It will happen with or without you, and it may as well be with you and your trademark. -- Kent Nichols http://askaninja.com http://askaninja.com/ http://hopeisemo.com http://hopeisemo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Registering as a Community Mark is an alternative worth a look. http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/ -eddie On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I'm begging you to form a non-profit. Let the awards live there. It will happen with or without you, and it may as well be with you and your trademark. -- Kent Nichols http://askaninja.com http://askaninja.com/ http://hopeisemo.com http://hopeisemo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Smoking Salmon in a Cardboard Box : New gardenfork.tv episode
Hi all, this was lot of fun to do, and if you liked smoked food, you might want to try it http://gardenfork.tvgardenfork iTunes video podcast thx, eric. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethingtobedesired.com
[videoblogging] Re: building a demo vlog and need a 250x250 ad. can someone help me out?
http://www.noodlescar.com/images/stock/250x250ad.gif Not sure if that is what you want... hmm, did you need a video ad? If so I can whip one up real quick for you. -Lan www.LanBui.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone, I'm drafting up a demo vlog and I need a 250 x 250 ad to throw in to it. Can someone send me a URL if they know where I can find a 250 x 250 ad? Thank you very much, Chuck
[videoblogging] Video Production Services
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for video production services in the New York area. I am specifically looking to hire someone to film (a one-camera shoot) five three-minute segments and help me edit them. The editing/filming I need is simple, so I would like to keep this as inexpensive as possible. I would appreciate any recommendations/suggestions you may have. Or, is anyone in the list interested in doing this? Thanks a lot! Debbie.
[videoblogging] Re: Video Production Services
There are a few posts for people that may be able help you here: http://hookup.spinxpress.com/hookup One in particular: http://hookup.spinxpress.com/permahookup_type=0_id=1179810504736365 or http://tinyurl.com/yt3jt9 Hookup!!! -Lan www.LanBui.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, debbie131313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone had some recommendations for video production services in the New York area. I am specifically looking to hire someone to film (a one-camera shoot) five three-minute segments and help me edit them. The editing/filming I need is simple, so I would like to keep this as inexpensive as possible. I would appreciate any recommendations/suggestions you may have. Or, is anyone in the list interested in doing this? Thanks a lot! Debbie.
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
That Community Mark article was great. Im not sure there is any legal reality in it though, which may make it slightly pointless. Creative Commons harneses existing legal system and cncepts about intellectual property, to build a system which should be compatible with existing legal system, courts, the idea of contracts, etc. I dont know if the same could be done with trademarks, if it can be done then its probably by building on the existing trademark laws. So a community could create and use something as a trademark, and could give other some additional rights to use the trademark, subject to certain terms. But unlike copyright, there are additional burdens on the trademark 'owner' to use it or lose it, so if the legal requirements to 'protect' the trademark are incompatible with the vision of allowing some community reuse, there will be a problem, so Im not sure it would work. This and other things leads me to believe that in practical terms, at this stage having a non-profit looking after the trademark, rather than relying on a new concept in mark protection that has no legal basis, is the safer approach. Its a bit like trying to be legally sound with the concept of 'a community', if the community is not a recognised legal entity, then its a set of individuals who could fall out at some point and each claim to be the legitimate community. So you put a proper entity together, but it costs time money. I suppose there may be another way to handle the trademark thing without needing an entity to formally registering trademarks. You can start using something as a mark, create some human-readable rules for community use of the mark, and not do anything more formal. If someone else tries to register that mark later, you can try get get the application rejected, based on existing widespread use of the mark by yourselves. (As far as I remember, you can put TM on stuff without formally registering it, its the registered R symbol that you cant use unless you have the trademark officially registered.) Categories of use are another complication. The same marks can be registered and used by different people/entities if they are in different categories of use and dont fall foul of any of the rules about being deliberately misleading. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Codel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Registering as a Community Mark is an alternative worth a look. http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/ -eddie On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I'm begging you to form a non-profit. Let the awards live there. It will happen with or without you, and it may as well be with you and your trademark. -- Kent Nichols http://askaninja.com http://askaninja.com/ http://hopeisemo.com http://hopeisemo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Short version of what I was getting at is that putting CM at the end of something may not achieve anything (other than awareness of the issue), wheras putting TM is probably better than nothing and offers at least some potential recourse later if someone else tries to 'steal' the mark. I mean I guess its ok to just invent and use something like the 'Copy Left' symbol because thats about giving away rights, but the Community Mark idea is not about declaring no rights reserved, just changing the balance, and that requires something with a legal basis , equivalent to how creative commons is made real, in my opinion. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That Community Mark article was great. Im not sure there is any legal reality in it though, which may make it slightly pointless. Creative Commons harneses existing legal system and cncepts about intellectual property, to build a system which should be compatible with existing legal system, courts, the idea of contracts, etc. I dont know if the same could be done with trademarks, if it can be done then its probably by building on the existing trademark laws. So a community could create and use something as a trademark, and could give other some additional rights to use the trademark, subject to certain terms. But unlike copyright, there are additional burdens on the trademark 'owner' to use it or lose it, so if the legal requirements to 'protect' the trademark are incompatible with the vision of allowing some community reuse, there will be a problem, so Im not sure it would work. This and other things leads me to believe that in practical terms, at this stage having a non-profit looking after the trademark, rather than relying on a new concept in mark protection that has no legal basis, is the safer approach. Its a bit like trying to be legally sound with the concept of 'a community', if the community is not a recognised legal entity, then its a set of individuals who could fall out at some point and each claim to be the legitimate community. So you put a proper entity together, but it costs time money. I suppose there may be another way to handle the trademark thing without needing an entity to formally registering trademarks. You can start using something as a mark, create some human-readable rules for community use of the mark, and not do anything more formal. If someone else tries to register that mark later, you can try get get the application rejected, based on existing widespread use of the mark by yourselves. (As far as I remember, you can put TM on stuff without formally registering it, its the registered R symbol that you cant use unless you have the trademark officially registered.) Categories of use are another complication. The same marks can be registered and used by different people/entities if they are in different categories of use and dont fall foul of any of the rules about being deliberately misleading. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Codel eddie@ wrote: Registering as a Community Mark is an alternative worth a look. http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/ -eddie On 7/24/07, Kent Nichols digitalfilmmaker@ wrote: John, I'm begging you to form a non-profit. Let the awards live there. It will happen with or without you, and it may as well be with you and your trademark. -- Kent Nichols http://askaninja.com http://askaninja.com/ http://hopeisemo.com http://hopeisemo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Not to fully rehash the Lan situation, but we all make mistakes. Mistakes are human, it's how we handle mistakes that determines our character. When the mistake was brought to your attention, and an invoice was presented, you ignored/didn't pay it. If you truly believed in CC, you would have acknowledged the mistake, paid Lan's reasonable invoice (and it was quite reasonable), and then made a donation to CC on top of that. Instead you paid Lan a fee he did not agree to and he bittersweetly donated it to CC, to which you hastily agreed to donate when you saw public opinion was against you. If a small company like PodTech, who is actually aware of CC, doesn't really respect or understand CC, then how are we as creators going to ever get larger companies to understand it? The same goes with this Trademark issue. You trademarked it because you see value there. Value for your company. Not for the industry, not for the community, but for you. Great for you. Yippee. But it leaves the community in a lurch. Create a non-profit, give the trademark to it, and let's move on. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, We are not shitting on the creative commons. We are proponents of it. A mistake was made plain and simple. Sorry about misspelling your name I know it's Kent not Ken. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:39 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , John Furrier john@ wrote: Ken, Please learn my name. It's sloppy and disrespectful. Kent. Nichols. Co-Creator of AskANinja.com. Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Great, how many new advertisers have you and your company brought to the table? Now take Scoble off the table. I agree all ad dollars flowing in the industry is a good thing. But it's going to take years and years and a lot of hard work by countless people to move advertising into online video. But I fail to see the direct result of the your investment in the Vloggies doing that. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. I sent a message to the ADM, and received no response. I spoke to a few members and they said they were at a meeting a few months ago and the were surprised that they had joined this group and the announcement caught them off guard. Having a single meeting and throwing up a web site isn't making a coalition. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a 'land grab' as you say. I'm exploring and having conversations with partners about the format of the Vloggies this year. Although we trademarked the term we are happy to work with any group with ideas to make it open like we did last year. Great. Form a non-profit with board members from various companies and give the trademark to that non-profit. We are in business to make money and do the right thing to grow with the industry. As a company we do make good business decisions and make some mistakes. Yeah a photo was accidentally used and some people didn't get their Vloggies on time - our bad but not intentional. If more great content can continue to come out from video pros (on PodTech or other network and sites) and more advertisers continue to accelerate their sponsorship and advertising efforts then I'm happy and the mistakes don't seem that bad. At the end of the
Re: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
1) Yeah, it's great that John Furrier's really engaging today in a way that most larger companies' CEOs wouldn't. And saying all the right things at last. Even if he called Kent Ken. Oops :) But it restores the faith a little. What got everybody crazy here was that nothing happened for so many weeks and months, and that on the rare occasions anybody spoke up from Podtech, what they said irritated the situation more in either tone or content. 2) Very few people are as well-connected as Irina. And she's super- talented and has more energy than ten of me, it seems, so I'm sure she'll be fine. It just seems so strange that Podtech didn't want to hang onto such an asset and find other ways to use her to enhance their company's profile - and to use her considerable networking skills for them. Perhaps they thought she was doubling up with Robert Scoble in this capacity - but whatever - that's their business. Literally. 3) I guess there aren't many examples of CC being upheld like this. Perhaps we'll come to see it as a good thing that there was a bit of a drawn out process and fuss kicked up, since its messy example might scare other larger, non-new-media companies into respecting rights and paying up. 4) Awards. Needs to be written about by someone who cares. Like Kent. Man, he really cares! 5) The community proved itself to be less angry about this than it has on other contentious issues in the past - good sense and behavior has prevailed for the most part. We organize well! 6 I think that a videoblog is a video, on a blog. What do you think? On 24 Jul 2007, at 19:17, Justin Kownacki wrote: Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethingtobedesired.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Not true Kent. I responded immediately to Lan and what was said shall remain private. It is over and we fully respect CC and producers work. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:51 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Not to fully rehash the Lan situation, but we all make mistakes. Mistakes are human, it's how we handle mistakes that determines our character. When the mistake was brought to your attention, and an invoice was presented, you ignored/didn't pay it. If you truly believed in CC, you would have acknowledged the mistake, paid Lan's reasonable invoice (and it was quite reasonable), and then made a donation to CC on top of that. Instead you paid Lan a fee he did not agree to and he bittersweetly donated it to CC, to which you hastily agreed to donate when you saw public opinion was against you. If a small company like PodTech, who is actually aware of CC, doesn't really respect or understand CC, then how are we as creators going to ever get larger companies to understand it? The same goes with this Trademark issue. You trademarked it because you see value there. Value for your company. Not for the industry, not for the community, but for you. Great for you. Yippee. But it leaves the community in a lurch. Create a non-profit, give the trademark to it, and let's move on. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, We are not shitting on the creative commons. We are proponents of it. A mistake was made plain and simple. Sorry about misspelling your name I know it's Kent not Ken. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:39 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , John Furrier john@ wrote: Ken, Please learn my name. It's sloppy and disrespectful. Kent. Nichols. Co-Creator of AskANinja.com. Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Great, how many new advertisers have you and your company brought to the table? Now take Scoble off the table. I agree all ad dollars flowing in the industry is a good thing. But it's going to take years and years and a lot of hard work by countless people to move advertising into online video. But I fail to see the direct result of the your investment in the Vloggies doing that. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. I sent a message to the ADM, and received no response. I spoke to a few members and they said they were at a meeting a few months ago and the were surprised that they had joined this group and the announcement caught them off guard. Having a single meeting and throwing up a web site isn't making a coalition. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a 'land grab' as you say. I'm exploring and having conversations with partners about the format of the Vloggies this year. Although we trademarked the term we are happy to work with any group with ideas to make it open like we did last year. Great. Form a non-profit with board members from
Re: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
agreed. ;-) On Jul 24, 2007, at 3:36 PM, Rupert wrote: I think that a videoblog is a video, on a blog. What do you think? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
Agreed Justin. Nice post From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Kownacki Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:17 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethingtobedesired.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
and hey, http://www.podtech.net/blog is better than http://blog.network2.tv;) seriously, i think every point has been drilled down by now. let's move on. sull On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed Justin. Nice post From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Kownacki Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:17 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethingtobedesired.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity
Yes. Please. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:24 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity and hey, http://www.podtech. http://www.podtech.net/blog net/blog is better than http://blog. http://blog.network2.tv; network2.tv;) seriously, i think every point has been drilled down by now. let's move on. sull On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:john%40podtech.net net wrote: Agreed Justin. Nice post From: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[mailto: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Kownacki Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:17 AM To: videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] A Side Note of Positivity Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethin http://www.somethingtobedesired.com gtobedesired.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Actions speak louder than words. Until you create a neutral non-profit to house that mark, you're all words. -K, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true Kent. I responded immediately to Lan and what was said shall remain private. It is over and we fully respect CC and producers work. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:51 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Not to fully rehash the Lan situation, but we all make mistakes. Mistakes are human, it's how we handle mistakes that determines our character. When the mistake was brought to your attention, and an invoice was presented, you ignored/didn't pay it. If you truly believed in CC, you would have acknowledged the mistake, paid Lan's reasonable invoice (and it was quite reasonable), and then made a donation to CC on top of that. Instead you paid Lan a fee he did not agree to and he bittersweetly donated it to CC, to which you hastily agreed to donate when you saw public opinion was against you. If a small company like PodTech, who is actually aware of CC, doesn't really respect or understand CC, then how are we as creators going to ever get larger companies to understand it? The same goes with this Trademark issue. You trademarked it because you see value there. Value for your company. Not for the industry, not for the community, but for you. Great for you. Yippee. But it leaves the community in a lurch. Create a non-profit, give the trademark to it, and let's move on. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier john@ wrote: Kent, We are not shitting on the creative commons. We are proponents of it. A mistake was made plain and simple. Sorry about misspelling your name I know it's Kent not Ken. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:39 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com , John Furrier john@ wrote: Ken, Please learn my name. It's sloppy and disrespectful. Kent. Nichols. Co-Creator of AskANinja.com. Last year the Vloggies was a PodTech event designed to bring together artists and video developers. You remember Ken because you were part of the growing group trying to make a living while developing kick ass content. We invested heavily in that and brought in sponsors who wanted to be part of the ecosystem. Today new sponsors are coming in to the industry and the existing advertisers continue to sponsor (fund) shows and video development across all networks. I'm proud of all the energy and industry momentum that was a result of PodTech's investment in the Vloggies. Great, how many new advertisers have you and your company brought to the table? Now take Scoble off the table. I agree all ad dollars flowing in the industry is a good thing. But it's going to take years and years and a lot of hard work by countless people to move advertising into online video. But I fail to see the direct result of the your investment in the Vloggies doing that. Is the industry better off than it was a year ago?? A lot of videobloggers are much better off this year than last year as the result of everyones creative work. The sponsors *are* recognizing it with dollars. This is the result of hard work by the industry not by one company but everyone involved in pioneering videoblogging - from the founding group to vloggercon to Vloggies to Pixelodeon. In between many companies have been formed and new producers are joining and participating on a global scale. I see this as a great thing. In fact new organizations like the Association of Downloadable Media are forming to promote new advertising models around video and audio. The industry is growing and viable business models are developing. I sent a message to the ADM, and received no response. I spoke to a few members and they said they were at a meeting a few months ago and the were surprised that they had joined this group and the announcement caught them off guard. Having a single meeting and throwing up a web site isn't making a coalition. That being said I'm very much looking at the Vloggies as an open industry event. PodTech isn't trying to exploit this event or try a
[videoblogging] Re: The CNN/YouTube debate last night
I liked the debate a lot. I think that having the public submit questions allowed CNN to pose questions to the candidates that they might have been too chicken to pose. It gave them some cover. The YouTubers were way more interesting than having the usual talking heads. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt see it, Im in the UK, but I just read this story about it which I felt covered a lot of ground: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070724/youtube_debate_070724/20070724?hub=World or http://tinyurl.com/299ukk Personally I feel that the flaw that theres still a gatekeeper, CNN, was less relevant than the fact the politicians are still the same. It may be different people asking the questions, but politicians are still going to use their training to answer the questions in the way they want, encompassing their talking points and well-practices political stances on the issues raised, or even unrelated issues. But its a start. Here in the UK we have a TV program called Question Time, where the comments and questions from the audience are often a lot more interesting than what the panel says. The ability to create a new version of public meetings, using the internet, is certainly of interest. This CNN thing wasnt that, but it was some sort of step in the right direction I guess. A big challenge will be to change the pace of these things, theres only so much reality you can get out of short soundbites and quickly moving on to the next question, I remain fascinated by whether peoples concentration spans have been really been reduced over the decades or whether there is a real appetite for longer and deeper discussions. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@ wrote: I didn't get a chance to see it, I don't have cable but one of the things I thought odd was that CNN got to choose/filter the videos before airing. Now I'm not necessarily saying that is or is not a bad thing. If CNN is footing the bill and you want to set a certain tone for the type of questions that you get it might be reasonable to have this filter. But it is still a filter/control from an established media company. It is still directed from up high and a select few are allowed to ask questions. On the one hand there is a M$M disrespect of user generated content unless and until it can be used as a marketing tool or as a way to look cool. Next you lock down the contributions from one web video host and then you further filter who can access by having it on cable, if your provider carries CNN, CSPAN or CSPAN2. Concept-wise, this is not a bad start. I'm just impatient for the next evolution. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: I thought I would take a break from Podtech talk for a minute and ask this. did anyone see the CNN/YouTube debate last night? I caught some of it and I had to say, I thought it was good. I thought most of the questions were good and I thought Cooper did a good job of making sure the canidates answered the questions. Maybe we are really finally reaching a tipping pointwhere canidates will realize that we as a country don't care about democrats or republicans, we want solutions and for our elected officails to start working together to address the very real issues that affect us all... Heath http://batmangeek.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true Kent. I responded immediately to Lan and what was said shall remain private. It is over and we fully respect CC and producers work. I think what you keep failing to understand, John, is that your issue WITH LAN is over your issue WITH THE COMMUNITY as to how it ended is NOT. You can't wash away one with the other, and you cant pretend they are the same and expect the community to buy it. Saying the reason we didn't have to pay Lan what he asked after we stole his stuff is private isn't going to relieve concerns by content producers as to if PodTech respects the true ownership of the content. Why would we as content producers ever choose to trust such a company with our work ever again? Your issue with Lan may be over, but your issue with the community is not ... and your constant refusal to understand the difference between the two is not painting PodTech in the best of lights. If you want the issue with the community to be over, you're going to have to a) stop confusing the two and b) talk to the community about the issue that remains. Moving discussions off list and outside the view of the community isn't going to help you do that. trust me, you don't know the whole story sounds like a load of crap to me ... either Lan owned the image or he didn't. You've acknowledged that he did. And happily for you Lan has let you off the hook but PodTech has yet to address THE COMMUNITY as to why it felt it didn't have to pay Lan what he asked even after he negotiated down from his first invoice. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re:Video Production Services
Hi Debbie, I work in the NYC area and can help you, I also sent you a direct email. thanks, eric. http://choplogic.net http://ericrochow.com
[videoblogging] Re: building a demo vlog and need a 250x250 ad. can someone help me out?
That's great, Lan. :-) Thank you very much! Chuck --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.noodlescar.com/images/stock/250x250ad.gif Not sure if that is what you want... hmm, did you need a video ad? If so I can whip one up real quick for you. -Lan www.LanBui.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Chuck chuckboycejr@ wrote: Hey everyone, I'm drafting up a demo vlog and I need a 250 x 250 ad to throw in to it. Can someone send me a URL if they know where I can find a 250 x 250 ad? Thank you very much, Chuck
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Hi Folks...thought I'd chime in here. The Vloggies were a great thing, and I hope that they continue. I was proud to be a part of them, and Irina and Podtech worked very hard on this project. The team at Podtech put time and resources into it, and I don't know if their investment was ever really appreciated. It's as if a good deed never goes unpunished. Sure, there may have been organizational problems, seems to have been problems getting enough statuettes, but the idea to recognize the great work being done online is admirable. And it is ok with me if Podtech owns the trademark. It's their show, and award. That doesn't take the value of it away. There are many award shows that are owned by production companies...a few off the top of my head, the World Music Awards, the American Music Awards (Dick Clark Productions). The Emmies are trademarked by the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, as the Oscars are owned by the Motion Picture Academy. And trademarked. It was a real pleasure to work with Irina last year co-hosting the event, and with John Furrier and the rest of the team at Podtech. They created something really beautiful, and I would hate to see it go away. And if you want to engage my professional services, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off-list? If you want to engage my professional services, contact my agents. Barrett Garese at UTA. If you want to talk about the Vloggies, let's talk about the Vloggies here in public. I support an open awards show that is owned by no company. I think that Trademarking Vloggies gives your company too much control. The Oscars are owned by the film industry, and the Emmys are owned by the TV industry. There were several sponsors last year, don't they also have as much right to the mark of the Vloggies as PodTech? Oh but you have more rights don't you? Because the person that came up with the idea, the person that organized it and made it a success was on your dime... The person that was just let go, right after the Trademark was filed... By landgrabbing Vloggies, you are trying to own an industry, which is unconscionable. You guys are smart, you're just caught in a lot of bad decisions. You should donate that mark to the Creative Commons, or EFF, or create a new non-profit that will run the awards. That would be the right thing to do, and might start repairing the PR nightmare you guys are experiencing right now. -Kent, askaninja.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Furrier john@ wrote: Kent, Email me if you'd like to get involved and we can chat off list John From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:08 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Well, great. So what are you going to do with the Vloggies this year John? -K --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, John Furrier john@ wrote: Kent, You're not sure. In fact you're way off base. Trademarks are first use and the filing was part of many others like the BlogHaus and other events. It had nothing to do with Irina being a full time employee. Irina is an awesome person and is doing great work in videoblogging. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups\ .com] On Behalf Of Kent Nichols Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:48 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone Hmm. This is interesting... http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=lgs64d.2.1 PodTech filed for the Trademark on the Vloggies right before they fired Irina. A coincidence I'm sure... -K --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.commailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comma\ ilto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Robyn Tippins robyntippins@ wrote: So if Irina is gone, will there be no Vloggies this year? -- Robyn Tippins Community Manager, MyBlogLog - Yahoo! Sleepyblogger.com | Gamingandtech.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: CNN / YouTube Debates - Who's In?
I did a series of questions that was meant to mock the whole debate, and altho the YT News/Politics editor featured it and it was played on CNN in the days leading up to the debate, it wasn't played in the debate itself. Which is probably for the better, since there were many questions that were far more pertinent and worthy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sh6aiyJDw --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, thisiswar3005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Other than Kenrg, Ian Crossmark, and myself, I've not seen any other video bloggers participate in the CNN / YouTube Debate Program. Is there an overall reason for this? Or that it's YouTube? CNN Washington Bureau Chief Dave Bohrman was expecting more of a production effort, like what many videobloggers here turn in. I'm curious to see the feedback on this, if any. Meanwhile, here's my latest entry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwRVDDyiHk
[videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Daniel Mcvicar is still alive!! WOO HOO! I haven't heard from him ina long time.. anyway.. i still think Schlomo said it best.. GROUP HUG!! Just hug it out ..
[videoblogging] UK television credibility in the muck at the moment
Over here in the UK there has been wave after wave of stories that are causing the spotlight of truth to be pointed all over the place. It started, as best I can remember, when it emerged that some TV phone in competitions were being conducted with very low standards. Things such as viewers being asked to phone in for a chance to appear in next weeks program, when the next weeks program was about to be taped just a few minutes later. Popular BBC childrens programme 'Blue Peter' having a fake winner of a competition because the real one didnt show up. Stuff like that. Most of the networks have been affected and have had to suspend or masively alter these sorts of things. More recently, it has moved onto reality television, and how much truth there is to fly-on-the-wall documentaries, after they've been edited. A big storm erupted on the BBC the other week when it emerged that the Queen had been shown in a misleading light on an advert for a forthcoming documentary. The latest is this story about some survivalist actually spending the night in a motel: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm So anyways I doubt these sorts of things are new, but what is new here is the focus on these issues by the media themselves. And as there is a relationship between the credibility, or lack thereof, of traditional media, and both the positive and negative potential of vlogging, I thought Id post about it here. Cheers Steve Elbows
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
Awards don't mean a goddamn thing. They're stupid. They're all stupid. It's beyond me that we feel the need to set aside a night to give out these jagoff bowling trophies so all these people can pat each other on the back about how much money they're making boring the piss out of half the world. Jerry Seinfeld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Defamer.com is hiring
They are looking for LA locals. http://tinyurl.com/3ynrnd Could be fun. From the listing: Defamer Freelance Video Position: - Must have basic Final Cut Pro and iMovie skills - Must be willing to film in locations in which you are unwelcome/forbidden/may be tasered/have personal style insulted - Must be willing to be up on the latest Hollywood news and gossip - Must enjoy watching shows like EXTRA, ET, Access Hollywood, and various late night talk shows - Must have a car be willing to travel (this is L.A., God help you if you don't have a car.) - Own video camera/computer/editing softwear a must, doesn't have to be fancy, miniDV camera will do -Kent, askaninja.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
perfect. On 7/24/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awards don't mean a goddamn thing. They're stupid. They're all stupid. It's beyond me that we feel the need to set aside a night to give out these jagoff bowling trophies so all these people can pat each other on the back about how much money they're making boring the piss out of half the world. Jerry Seinfeld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
yep, verdi is right! i was at a Spark PR bbq on June 15 2006 talking to shlomo and ted rheingold (dogster.com) and said man i'm tired of wearing tshirts and minimizer bras to all our events! i think i'll throw a goofy-ass awards show with a red carpet and fake paparazzi cuz we should all dress up at least once a year! should i call it Vloscars or Vloggies? and i'm gonna wear a super fancy-pants dress-- something like on Dynasty. there u go. On 7/24/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ye -- http://geekentertainment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
No offense, but our Vloggy has meant a lot to us. In fact, it's the only positive regard we ever got from Freetime. It's also the only time that project ever got linked by anyone else's blogs. If we hadn't had that modicum of success in getting even the most rudimentary audience, I probably wouldn't have had the energy to go forward with Greentime. When you've already made it, awards are pretty pointless. When you're desperately trying to make a name for yourself, every bit of positive attention counts. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime http://www.weatherlight.com/greentime Awards don't mean a goddamn thing. They're stupid. They're all stupid. It's beyond me that we feel the need to set aside a night to give out these jagoff bowling trophies so all these people can pat each other on the back about how much money they're making boring the piss out of half the world. Jerry Seinfeld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: UK television credibility in the muck at the moment
Well, that's just the thing. Most television is fiction. Bad and Predictable fiction to boot. When the fad becomes reality tv, and as we move forward into LIVE broadcasts like on Ustream and BlogTV, unless you're actually an interesting person in real life and interesting stuff happens to you and around you, your show's going to suck... unless people start doctoring either the input or the output of the situation. This is why there are credits for producers on shows that claim to be reality. There are producers in charge of spinning the footage in the edit so that it tells a story they think is compelling. There are producers in charge of telling people what to do in order to create storylines. If reality television was actually allowed to be a depiction of what actually happened, people would be gambling with their jobs. :D I'm not saying this is a good thing. I'm saying that people are now getting CAUGHT for what they've always been doing. I have a piece about Uganda airing on the Hallmark channel on the 30th of this month. It's a 5-minute segment that we cut from 20 HOURS of footage! :O Needless to say, I could have told 60 different stories with that footage... all of them honest to a degree, but all of them SPIN, definitely. You have houses made out of mud and you have houses that look like actual houses... which ones to show? You have people walking down the dirt road with baskets on their heads and no socks or shoes on, you have people on bicycles and you have people in cars and trucks... which ones to show? It depends on what you want to say about the area and the story you're trying to tell. Still, there's a difference between needing to tell A VERSION of what really happened to people, and MAKING STUFF UP and passing it off as reality. The fakers deserve to get busted and embarrassed! :D -- billcammack --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over here in the UK there has been wave after wave of stories that are causing the spotlight of truth to be pointed all over the place. It started, as best I can remember, when it emerged that some TV phone in competitions were being conducted with very low standards. Things such as viewers being asked to phone in for a chance to appear in next weeks program, when the next weeks program was about to be taped just a few minutes later. Popular BBC childrens programme 'Blue Peter' having a fake winner of a competition because the real one didnt show up. Stuff like that. Most of the networks have been affected and have had to suspend or masively alter these sorts of things. More recently, it has moved onto reality television, and how much truth there is to fly-on-the-wall documentaries, after they've been edited. A big storm erupted on the BBC the other week when it emerged that the Queen had been shown in a misleading light on an advert for a forthcoming documentary. The latest is this story about some survivalist actually spending the night in a motel: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm So anyways I doubt these sorts of things are new, but what is new here is the focus on these issues by the media themselves. And as there is a relationship between the credibility, or lack thereof, of traditional media, and both the positive and negative potential of vlogging, I thought Id post about it here. Cheers Steve Elbows
RE: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
I understand. From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Meade Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:05 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone On 7/24/07, John Furrier [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:john%40podtech.net wrote: Not true Kent. I responded immediately to Lan and what was said shall remain private. It is over and we fully respect CC and producers work. I think what you keep failing to understand, John, is that your issue WITH LAN is over your issue WITH THE COMMUNITY as to how it ended is NOT. You can't wash away one with the other, and you cant pretend they are the same and expect the community to buy it. Saying the reason we didn't have to pay Lan what he asked after we stole his stuff is private isn't going to relieve concerns by content producers as to if PodTech respects the true ownership of the content. Why would we as content producers ever choose to trust such a company with our work ever again? Your issue with Lan may be over, but your issue with the community is not ... and your constant refusal to understand the difference between the two is not painting PodTech in the best of lights. If you want the issue with the community to be over, you're going to have to a) stop confusing the two and b) talk to the community about the issue that remains. Moving discussions off list and outside the view of the community isn't going to help you do that. trust me, you don't know the whole story sounds like a load of crap to me ... either Lan owned the image or he didn't. You've acknowledged that he did. And happily for you Lan has let you off the hook but PodTech has yet to address THE COMMUNITY as to why it felt it didn't have to pay Lan what he asked even after he negotiated down from his first invoice. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: A Side Note of Positivity
Thanks for the Huggies --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Justin Kownacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey folks; Lots of grist for arguments on the board lately. A lot of it is founded, and some of it is simply axe-grinding. While I don't think we should drop the subjects in question (PodTech, Irina, The Vloggies, Lan), I'd like to play reverse-devil's advocate. In the spirit of Schlomo's group hug, let's look at a few positives: 1) John Furrier and Robert Scoble continue to participate in the conversation. (Earlier, they were eviscerated for NOT speaking up; at least now they're willing to bear the slings and arrows of conversing.) 2) Irina is free-er to experiment. (Granted, this is like saying, Well, that fired news anchor can always go back to writing obituaries, but seen from the glass-half-full POV, Irina is now free to pursue new opportunities -- and, most likely, will bring a sharpened business acumen to any future negotiations she becomes involved with.) 3) Creative Commons is now on everyone's mind. (Maybe we can do something about furthering that awareness across the board.) 4) The Vloggies are not the only game in town. (Or, at least, they don't have to be. There's room for more than one awards show in town -- if we even need one [yet]. Again, a topic that needs to be discussed, rather than all of us being beholden to one judge of quality.) 5) We've all been reminded that, first and foremost, we're a community that supports itself (emotionally, if not yet financially). When there's a disruption in the community, we take action to address it. Perhaps the community divides, or perhaps the community solves the issue; either way, we strengthen our bonds AND are forced to stand up for what we believe in -- which, very often, is each other. Onward and upward. Justin Kownacki Creator / Producer, Something to Be Desired http://www.somethingtobedesired.com
[videoblogging] Can I just say, further to the hug, that I love this group
it might seem crazy sometimes, or dark - and have all sorts of other deficiencies - but the passion, commitment and knowledge here is really amazing. if only more organizations groups in real life were like this. being a part of it has changed my life in all sorts of unexpected ways.
Re: [videoblogging] The Vloggies (was Re: irina gone)
it's interesting though how this list has changed.. when I first joined, the threads were shorter and the conversations were done on video and there was less text. whatever happened to that. awards seem strange for personal media to me also. awards/more people seem to lead to increased business-like behaviour, a more traditional mail list and less video conversations? are they all on utube now in video responses perhaps. On 7/24/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I know what you mean - I'm not a huge fan of awards shows either (except when I win lots of money by betting on the Oscars), but I don't like the idea of community awards - I'd rather they were handled by Podtech (or whoever) and treated honestly for what they are. Whatever community love Irina brought to the table, that thing you quoted from the wiki just goes to show that Awards Shows are pretty much a commercial concept at heart. They're not a level-playing-field community thing to reward individuals for individual artistic achievement. Popular shows win, because they get more votes. Popular shows tend to be commercial show concepts rather than, say, personal videoblogs. So in the end the main benefactors of awards are popular shows who can then put up banners saying Winner of 5 vloggies and tell that to their viewers and the press. That might help Ask A Ninja or Galacticast or Ze Frank who benefit from being seen by the maximum number of people because they have mass appeal. Personally, i don't feel that if I won an award (best shouting into a cellphone camera on the streets of London?) it would boost my audience in any lasting way, since the very few people who want to watch and subscribe to some british tit shouting into his phone over the internet are pretty much going to find me anyway. I like my community to be without judgement and ranking. I don't want my community to tell me that there's some other london cellphone shouter they like more than me, or to tell that person that they like me more. What does that mean? It probably means the winner was able to marshal more friends and family to go online and vote. So I'd prefer it if we didn't have a community awards. I'm quite happy for Podtech and the corporate mass-appeal boys and girls to do their commercial Awards thing and compete for promotional opportunities, while the rest of us just get on with making our videos and connecting with people, for whatever bizarre reasons. Then if any awards drop out of the sky, it's easier to accept them while taking a moment to be humble enough to know that it doesn't mean we're the best at anything - just that some people voted. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:06, Michael Verdi wrote: Personally, I don't like the idea of an awards show at all. Last year I tried to argue that point but it was clear that so many people [snip] -- http://www.aliak.com
[videoblogging] Cluetrain
It's been a while since I heard this spoken about. Scary to think that it's 8 years old. I thought that, in light of all the stuff that's been going on, it'd be interesting to repost it here for us all to scan and ponder on. I guess there may be quite a few people who haven't ever read it. Some of it is taken for granted now, some of it hokey, some of it passé. It's not perfect, but it might be the most interesting thing you read today. The Cluetrain Manifesto, 1999 http://cluetrain.com Online Markets... Networked markets are beginning to self-organize faster than the companies that have traditionally served them. Thanks to the web, markets are becoming better informed, smarter, and more demanding of qualities missing from most business organizations. ...People of Earth The sky is open to the stars. Clouds roll over us night and day. Oceans rise and fall. Whatever you may have heard, this is our world, our place to be. Whatever you've been told, our flags fly free. Our heart goes on forever. People of Earth, remember. 1. Markets are conversations. 2. Markets consist of human beings, not demographic sectors. 3. Conversations among human beings sound human. They are conducted in a human voice. 4. Whether delivering information, opinions, perspectives, dissenting arguments or humorous asides, the human voice is typically open, natural, uncontrived. 5. People recognize each other as such from the sound of this voice. 6. The Internet is enabling conversations among human beings that were simply not possible in the era of mass media. 7. Hyperlinks subvert hierarchy. 8. In both internetworked markets and among intranetworked employees, people are speaking to each other in a powerful new way. 9. These networked conversations are enabling powerful new forms of social organization and knowledge exchange to emerge. 10. As a result, markets are getting smarter, more informed, more organized. Participation in a networked market changes people fundamentally. 11. People in networked markets have figured out that they get far better information and support from one another than from vendors. So much for corporate rhetoric about adding value to commoditized products. 12. There are no secrets. The networked market knows more than companies do about their own products. And whether the news is good or bad, they tell everyone. 13. What's happening to markets is also happening among employees. A metaphysical construct called The Company is the only thing standing between the two. 14. Corporations do not speak in the same voice as these new networked conversations. To their intended online audiences, companies sound hollow, flat, literally inhuman. 15. In just a few more years, the current homogenized voice of businessthe sound of mission statements and brochureswill seem as contrived and artificial as the language of the 18th century French court. 16. Already, companies that speak in the language of the pitch, the dog-and-pony show, are no longer speaking to anyone. 17. Companies that assume online markets are the same markets that used to watch their ads on television are kidding themselves. 18. Companies that don't realize their markets are now networked person-to-person, getting smarter as a result and deeply joined in conversation are missing their best opportunity. 19. Companies can now communicate with their markets directly. If they blow it, it could be their last chance. 20. Companies need to realize their markets are often laughing. At them. 21. Companies need to lighten up and take themselves less seriously. They need to get a sense of humor. 22. Getting a sense of humor does not mean putting some jokes on the corporate web site. Rather, it requires big values, a little humility, straight talk, and a genuine point of view. 23. Companies attempting to position themselves need to take a position. Optimally, it should relate to something their market actually cares about. 24. Bombastic boastsWe are positioned to become the preeminent provider of XYZdo not constitute a position. 25. Companies need to come down from their Ivory Towers and talk to the people with whom they hope to create relationships. 26. Public Relations does not relate to the public. Companies are deeply afraid of their markets. 27. By speaking in language that is distant, uninviting, arrogant, they build walls to keep markets at bay. 28. Most marketing programs are based on the fear that the market might see what's really going on inside the company. 29. Elvis said it best: We can't go on together with suspicious minds. 30. Brand loyalty is the corporate version of going steady, but the breakup is inevitableand coming fast. Because they are networked, smart markets are able to renegotiate relationships with blinding speed. 31. Networked markets can change suppliers overnight. Networked knowledge workers
[videoblogging] The Non-Awards, Award show, that feature vlogging
I've got nothing better to do at the moment and I just had this crazy idea..if I remember correctly Irina came up with the idea, just so she could have a reason to wear a pretty dress and walk down a red carpet. You know, have some fun with the peple she liked hanging out with and watch some video's and hand out awardsnot to talk yourself too seriously and have some fun and dress up a bit Well...there is this old theater here in Cincinnat, called The 20th Century Theater, it was a HUGE deal in the 40's, opened to great fanfare...now it's a reception/concert hall here are a few pictures http://tinyurl.com/36mq8p and http://tinyurl.com/2vrrnc I may regret making this next comment but.if enough people are interested, I can find out some information and we can have a non- awards show, get dressed up, drink, hang around friends, watch some video's and give ourselves some props and have fun I'm just sayingif it's just about having fun, why not? And Kent I promise not to trademark anything.except my hair...or lack thereof Heath http://batmangeek.com
[videoblogging] Re: The Non-Awards, Award show, that feature vlogging
Heath, I gotta give it to you. Ohio has no greater advocate for travel to your fair city than you. Statistically speaking at some point there will be a vlogging event in CinCin. Keep hope alive, Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got nothing better to do at the moment and I just had this crazy idea..if I remember correctly Irina came up with the idea, just so she could have a reason to wear a pretty dress and walk down a red carpet. You know, have some fun with the peple she liked hanging out with and watch some video's and hand out awardsnot to talk yourself too seriously and have some fun and dress up a bit Well...there is this old theater here in Cincinnat, called The 20th Century Theater, it was a HUGE deal in the 40's, opened to great fanfare...now it's a reception/concert hall here are a few pictures http://tinyurl.com/36mq8p and http://tinyurl.com/2vrrnc I may regret making this next comment but.if enough people are interested, I can find out some information and we can have a non- awards show, get dressed up, drink, hang around friends, watch some video's and give ourselves some props and have fun I'm just sayingif it's just about having fun, why not? And Kent I promise not to trademark anything.except my hair...or lack thereof Heath http://batmangeek.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: irina gone
To match your Seinfeld, I wouldn't want to be in a club that would have me as a member Grouch Marx JCH --- Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awards don't mean a goddamn thing. They're stupid. They're all stupid. It's beyond me that we feel the need to set aside a night to give out these jagoff bowling trophies so all these people can pat each other on the back about how much money they're making boring the piss out of half the world. Jerry Seinfeld http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_OqvUbBNA4 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [videoblogging] Defamer.com is hiring
If that was in Philly, Phuck the taser, your arse might get shot! Rocky Balboa --- Kent Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are looking for LA locals. http://tinyurl.com/3ynrnd Could be fun. From the listing: Defamer Freelance Video Position: - Must have basic Final Cut Pro and iMovie skills - Must be willing to film in locations in which you are unwelcome/forbidden/may be tasered/have personal style insulted - Must be willing to be up on the latest Hollywood news and gossip - Must enjoy watching shows like EXTRA, ET, Access Hollywood, and various late night talk shows - Must have a car be willing to travel (this is L.A., God help you if you don't have a car.) - Own video camera/computer/editing softwear a must, doesn't have to be fancy, miniDV camera will do -Kent, askaninja.com Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
[videoblogging] american english series released
having fun with my friends here in Chengdu-China I have released my new series American English-001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcMmOSa25w I have already launched Chinese series Spanish and French what is coming is Dutch lessons regards from my Chinese Island John Cardenas - aka - JohnDkar - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Archive.org now transcodes and has embed code
http://www.archive.org/about/flash.php?flv=http://www.archive.org/download/SF174/SF174.flv Tracey, their web developer, documents how they do it with open source tools at the bottom of the page. The Archive is definitely slower than commercial sites...and not as beautiful...but it's cool to see them keep evolving. I always cross-post my video to IA through Blip so I know there's a better chance my videos will exist into the future. jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Check out http://ryanishungry.com. Two videos a week documenting the Green movement in all its different forms.
[videoblogging] iphone compatible video
Can't remember if anyone posted about this or not... is there some special thing I need to do to get my videos (davidleeking.com/etchttp://www.davidleeking.com/etc) to play on an iphone? Currently, they do not. For example... my last video, Miami Oceanhttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/miami-ocean.html, is a 2.2 MB .mov file. It is 320X240, and uses aac and h.264 codecs They work in itunes... just not on the iphone. Any ideas? Thanks! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Archive.org now transcodes and has embed code
yeah and I just redid their feeds too for their movie archive. We're just waiting a week or too to solicit feedback before they go up. http://www-tracey.archive.org/services/collection-rss.php?mediatype=moviesnotourmedia=1 Feedback is appreciated! thanks! lisa http://www.onlisareinsradar.com http://www.archive.org/about/flash.php?flv=http://www.archive.org/download/SF174/SF174.flv Tracey, their web developer, documents how they do it with open source tools at the bottom of the page. The Archive is definitely slower than commercial sites...and not as beautiful...but it's cool to see them keep evolving. I always cross-post my video to IA through Blip so I know there's a better chance my videos will exist into the future. jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Check out http://ryanishungry.com. Two videos a week documenting the Green movement in all its different forms. Lisa Rein http://videobloggingweek.mefeedia.com/ http://onlisareinsradar.com http://www.mefeedia.com http://www.lisarein.com
Re: [videoblogging] iphone compatible video
Can't remember if anyone posted about this or not... is there some special thing I need to do to get my videos (davidleeking.com/etchttp://www.davidleeking.com/etc) to play on an iphone? Currently, they do not. For example... my last video, Miami Oceanhttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/miami-ocean.html, is a 2.2 MB .mov file. It is 320X240, and uses aac and h.264 codecs They work in itunes... just not on the iphone. Any ideas? Thanks! There were some good links a couple weeks ago. its a good question. this time...lets document them on our wiki: http://videoblogginggroup.pbwiki.com/iPhone-Compression Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Check out http://ryanishungry.com. Two videos a week documenting the Green movement in all its different forms.
Re: [videoblogging] iphone compatible video
From apple: Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats What are you using to export the .mov? I'll put some stuff on the wiki like Jay said. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jul 24, 2007, at 8:42 PM, David King wrote: Can't remember if anyone posted about this or not... is there some special thing I need to do to get my videos (davidleeking.com/etchttp://www.davidleeking.com/etc) to play on an iphone? Currently, they do not. For example... my last video, Miami Oceanhttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/miami-ocean.html, is a 2.2 MB .mov file. It is 320X240, and uses aac and h.264 codecs They work in itunes... just not on the iphone. Any ideas? Thanks! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] iphone compatible video
I added a couple more videos for testing... 1. this videohttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/test-movie-ipod-formatted.htmlmade it to my iphone through itunes - I recorded the movie in imovie, and saved it as the default ipod settings (30 frames per sec, 320 x 240, h.264and 44.1khz aac audio) 2. this videohttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/test-video-using-mov-format.htmldid not - also recorded in imovie, but saved using the Quicktime settings, cd quality (320 x 240, 15 frames per sec...) So - using iMovie on a Mac to export to the mov file, and taking whatever the CD quality quicktime settings are... one thought - is that using h.264? I know I can dig into the expert settings in iMovie and use h.264, but how about the default settings? Not sure. David On 7/24/07, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From apple: Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats What are you using to export the .mov? I'll put some stuff on the wiki like Jay said. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jul 24, 2007, at 8:42 PM, David King wrote: Can't remember if anyone posted about this or not... is there some special thing I need to do to get my videos (davidleeking.com/etchttp://www.davidleeking.com/etc) to play on an iphone? Currently, they do not. For example... my last video, Miami Oceanhttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/miami-ocean.html, is a 2.2 MB .mov file. It is 320X240, and uses aac and h.264 codecs They work in itunes... just not on the iphone. Any ideas? Thanks! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] iphone compatible video
I updated the wiki with some information. http://videoblogginggroup.pbwiki.com/iPhone-Compression -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jul 24, 2007, at 9:32 PM, David King wrote: I added a couple more videos for testing... 1. this videohttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/test-movie-ipod- formatted.htmlmade it to my iphone through itunes - I recorded the movie in imovie, and saved it as the default ipod settings (30 frames per sec, 320 x 240, h.264and 44.1khz aac audio) 2. this videohttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/test-video-using- mov-format.htmldid not - also recorded in imovie, but saved using the Quicktime settings, cd quality (320 x 240, 15 frames per sec...) So - using iMovie on a Mac to export to the mov file, and taking whatever the CD quality quicktime settings are... one thought - is that using h.264? I know I can dig into the expert settings in iMovie and use h.264, but how about the default settings? Not sure. David On 7/24/07, Lan Bui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From apple: Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Low-Complexity version of the H.264 Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats What are you using to export the .mov? I'll put some stuff on the wiki like Jay said. -Lan www.LanBui.com On Jul 24, 2007, at 8:42 PM, David King wrote: Can't remember if anyone posted about this or not... is there some special thing I need to do to get my videos (davidleeking.com/etchttp://www.davidleeking.com/etc) to play on an iphone? Currently, they do not. For example... my last video, Miami Oceanhttp://davidleeking.com/etc/2007/07/miami-ocean.html, is a 2.2 MB .mov file. It is 320X240, and uses aac and h.264 codecs They work in itunes... just not on the iphone. Any ideas? Thanks! -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- David King davidleeking.com - blog http://davidleeking.com/etc - videoblog [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
