On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:10:24 -0600, Warren Young <war...@etr-usa.com> wrote: > On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric <e...@deptj.eu> wrote: >> >> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them > > So do Fossil email alerts.
Do they thread? Anyway I have to go and get context, and go elsewhere to reply. >> * mailing lists all work the same > > No, they don't. There are many different mailing list managers, each > with different subscription methods, unsubscription methods, password > requirements, commands, etc. On top of that, the popular mailing list > managers are highly configurable, so you can't even say that all GNU > Mailman mailing lists work the same. None of which matters on a day-to-day basis - you read emails and you answer them. >> no multiple forum URLs > â¦but multiple mailing list manager URLs instead. See previous answer. >> passwords > > Fossil forum subscribers don't need a password ... OK, but one or two "forums" among many - I prefer to have a password anyway. >> * context usually exists within each email, no need to jump around the >> interface > > When was the last time you used a mail client without threading? > Mail messages are *rarely* entirely self-contained. Depends on what you mean by "entirely". If you can tell what the first sentence is actually talking about, that's often enough context. "Entirely" is not necessary. > And when they are, it's usually because you're looking at some > monstrosity perpetrated by those who like untrimmed top-posting, so that > every past message is listed below the new content, in reverse order. I spent too many hours of my working life reading those, but they're not really relevant here. >> * mailing lists are easy to read selectively and/or skim read > > Yes, just like Fossil email alerts. I haven't seen an alert yet, unless it looks exactly like a normal single-message email! >> * I can keep my own (possibly selective) archive > > You can clone a Fossil forum repository, if the forum's administrator > allows it. The fossil-scm.org/forum allows it, so presumably the future > sqlite.org/forum will as well. Too much overhead, how often must I clone ... > As for selective archives, Fossil will let you delete content from a > repository: > > https://fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/trunk/www/shunning.wiki > > This includes forum posts. Too tedious, and also seems like misuse of a feature, in which case it is the potential start of a slippery slope. > What non-accidental differences do you have in your local SQLite mailing > list archive as compared to those on the public mailing list archive > services? Only that mine starts when I first subscribed to the list, and is partial if I wanted it that way. And it's local! > This line of argument also ignores the opposite virtue: with Fossil > forums, it is easy to get a complete archive of past discussions without > having been a subscriber since the beginning. If I want something from outside the time when I was subscribed, I will have to go looking, but this is pretty rare. Unless I'm looking for the solution to a problem, in which case I will do a web search. > Even if you do happen to be on mailing lists from the start, are your > local mail backups complete? I'm pretty sure I've lost old mailing > list archives in moves from one client to another. That can't happen > with Fossil, due to the durability of its block chain technology. Unless you lose the whole thing :-) I have an older archive (always partial) which is a set of mbox files, and a newer one (always complete) which is a maildir, and they go back a long time. They are always backed up and independent of whatever mail reader I happen to be using at the moment. >> searchable across all lists > > Do you often find yourself unable to remember where you posted something, > and thus wouldn't know which forum to search for a given post, and thus > must search all of them? > > It's happened to me, but only very rarely. Usually I end up doing an > Internet search for my own name and relevant keywords, which would also > turn up Fossil forums content. There are overlapping "forums", and OT threads, so it happens fairly often, and anyway I have only one search interface for each of my archives, each of which covers multiple "forums". >> I never get around to looking at most of the >> forums, partly, of course, because there isn't time. > > It's no faster to open a mail client than it is to open a folder full > of forum bookmarks and scan their contents. Yes it is, it's always open. And no need to dig for the password or struggle with how the particular interface works. > Fossil forums are especially nice in this regard, since there is currently > no subforum feature, so you don't have to go digging through them > to find out what's new. The forum's front page lists new posts in > newest-first order, with the unread posts in a brighter hyperlink color. "Currently"? You don't want subforums, there's a good search, and it might be reasonable to allow tagging posts. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry
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