To pose a question, do you have to know Mozart's backgroud to appreciate his music? No.
The artist's 'pain' or artist's problem from which he/she draws inspiration can be shrouded or public knowledge, for the most part I find that artist's don't want you to realize what they see in their music, but want you to find your own interpretation. Truth be told most artists find their music to be flawed in some way upon retrospect (wishing for the ability to take back the work and complete it). While we the listener will see the music as unflawed (complete). If you appreciate something (or vice versa) only after knowing the artists intent, tehn you are missing the point. Music is for your interpretation, not to add to a list of influences. This is why some much of what we talk about is subjective instead of concrete, there is no way to enforce my point of view on you, and alternatively yours on me. To add to Darwin's argument, perhaps the experience of Toneshifting is momentary. Here are my thoughts. As humans we are engulfed with a high level of stimuli daily. To experience toneshifting (low stimuli) is novel and for a while we enjoy the experience. But in the end we want to return to our normal level of stimuli (which is high). I experienced this for a number of years, wherein all I would listen to was minimal techno. Then suddenly one day I felt the need for something more and began to buy more house records. It was not that I didn't like minimal anymore, but I felt the need for more stimuli (ie. I felt 'cold' and wanted to feel 'warm'). This would give cause to a fair number of middle grounders, as I believe that most of us (to some degree have gone through the minimal period). The proper factor is all in the mind of the beholder. I like to call it 'influence of percieved knowledge' and I've seen it work its way through universities and record stores alike. To the layperson, who knows nothing of Jeff Mills but knows the basis of mixing, Live at the Liquid Room is an energetic but mistake ridden mix of techno. Yet for the peron 'in the know' Live at the Liquid Room is an influential piece of work from a master of mixing. I personally heard the mix without knowing who it was and thought that the tracks were great but the mixing was poorly executed, then I found out it was Mills. My opinion still hasn't changed Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: ".. -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno > I have to wonder... are people here serious that a musician's art is > entirely independant of the artist? I think this is a pivotal notion and > one that is not only central to the little Moby issue, but also to the big > Detroit issue. The intent, background, motivation, influences drawn upon by > an artist are all, in my opinion, integral to the art itself. To argue that > the only true measure and value of a song is the given listener's first or > even ongoing impression seems to negate these factors. > > Music made for people by people. Take out the interpreters (both performers > *and* audience) and you've got a tree falling in a forest. > > What do you all think? > > ps What is this purist thing anyhow? Does this apply to other genres of > music? Does this mean that some things are good unless you actually care? > > >From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno > >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:04:35 -0700 > > > > >For the 'techno-purists' amongst us Moby will never be real. > > > For others who aren't so purist-like really don't care that much. > > > > > > > > >I was simply waiting for that to be stated, and I apologize now for the > >length, this field is a passion of mine, and I enjoy testing new theories > >in > >debate... > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
