https://fhi.duke.edu/events/drexicya-mars-interplanetary-water-mission
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 3:49 PM Alana Blue, <alana.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even > correct. The image is not from RBMA. > Secondly, I don't consider RA real journalism. It's a blog for all intents > and purposes...this does not mean they shouldn't cite, credit, their > sources properly. > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:44 AM Aidan O'Doherty < > aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It was DJ Moxie who provided the narration. White and English. >> >> On Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:37 Shaun Fogarty, <fogg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya later >>> when I get to sit down. Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply about the >>> context of the music. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shaun (England) >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 19:28, David A. Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of >>>> black innovators not getting credit, there is an even more common story of >>>> exploitation in the music industry: musicians and creators who get ripped >>>> off, whether it's theft by a manager, record labels stealing, or this >>>> current example. This kind of exploitation goes on all the time, and I do >>>> believe musicians, writers, and artists, need to work to take whatever >>>> steps they can to stop such theft. Let me tell you, I lived in the D, if >>>> someone steals from you there, they better be prepared to get their ass >>>> beat. I'm just saying... >>>> >>>> 2. It's racist to make assumptions about race and cultural background >>>> based on someone's accent. >>>> >>>> 3. All civilized societies to this day, use slave labor in some forms. >>>> In the global economy, slavery is simply pushed to the margins: slaves >>>> still work in mines to get stuff that goes into our high tech gadgets. As >>>> long as civilization uses slaves, there are going to be ideologies that >>>> justify the exploitation. US racism is rooted in the history of slavery, >>>> but also in the economic competition between north and south, and the fact >>>> that the industrialized north didn't need slave labor because it had found >>>> a more efficient way to exploit human labor. >>>> >>>> 4. The meaning of work, slavery, and exploitation is going to change in >>>> a society run by machines. >>>> >>>> And #4 is why Drexciya and techno are relevant--we live in a society of >>>> machines, and slave labor is embedded in the very machines we use to >>>> communicate with each other and to create techno music. >>>> >>>> Drexciya's music reflects the experience of the people who made it, >>>> including being black, growing up in Detroit, the history of US slavery and >>>> racism, etc. But SLAVERY is not a "black issue" it's a human issue, which >>>> is explored from a particular viewpoint rooted in a particular cultural >>>> experience. >>>> >>>> Music is not ABOUT ideas. Music is a living experience that cannot be >>>> put into words. >>>> If it could be put into words, then the music would actually be >>>> redundant! >>>> If you want ideas, read a book. >>>> The experience of listening to a Drexciya record is totally different >>>> than talking about it. >>>> Nothing you could say about a Drexciya record, would exhaust the >>>> potential wealth of meanings and experience that the record contains. >>>> Art is open ended, that's what makes it art and not propaganda... >>>> >>>> >>>> ~David >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense of >>>>> equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things. >>>>> >>>>> RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an >>>>> international city whose residents are less racist than average. It seems >>>>> that the most racist parts of the world are the parts with the least >>>>> amount >>>>> of diversity. This obviously because when you live and work with people >>>>> from all over the world you see them as human beings. The narrator could >>>>> be >>>>> black, but from London. >>>>> >>>>> Not giving credit, clearly is unprofessional. The accent of the >>>>> narrator, I don't think is a problem. I'd love to see and hear more talk >>>>> of >>>>> Detroit music from Detroiters, and for Drexciya specifically, well - an >>>>> African accent could be perfect. >>>>> >>>>> I do wonder if race and racism entirely an artificial idea, that it is >>>>> really down to a tribalism. It's something I think is often used to >>>>> manipulate people in times of war (or conquest), and to sow division. >>>>> Isn't >>>>> race more a colonial idea, to justify the theft of land from its native >>>>> people? These days we should know that we're all the same race, and that >>>>> there are so many colours. Nobody is simply white or black. There is no >>>>> black or white. Except, where positive discrimination is due. >>>>> >>>>> I'm lucky never to have experienced racial discrimination. I've rarely >>>>> seen any racism, and certainly less as time goes by. However, things could >>>>> change, but I'm thankful to live somewhere there is very little of this, >>>>> with respect to people from many places. Things have been sliding >>>>> backwards >>>>> though, throughout Europe. Still, Europeans are not responsible for racism >>>>> in the US. There are people that are responsible, and you'll find them in >>>>> positions of power, using it as a tool, a method of control. IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be really disappointed if the music was _all_ about race and >>>>> racism. I don't think that's a fair representation. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 5:25 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit >>>>> music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music >>>>> is only for people of color. White people are never excluded from >>>>> anything. >>>>> And in 2018, unintentional? Please. >>>>> >>>>> Luis Manuel Garcia writes amazing pieces about intersectionality in >>>>> club culture for RA. They have the information, they’re just choosing to >>>>> be >>>>> old grampas about it. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:56, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As a white person who grew up in Scotland, listening to Public Enemy, >>>>> and Paris, and reading the biography of Malcolm X, I don't exactly feel >>>>> comfortable making comment here. I think here there's clearly a lack of >>>>> sensitivity. It is likely to be unintentional, and in the case of the >>>>> unattributed source, they have at least corrected this soon after the >>>>> issue >>>>> was raised publicly in the past few days. >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate that race and racism have a lot to do with the Drexciya >>>>> story and UR. However, I do feel that the assertion here that it is _all_ >>>>> about race and racism, should be challenged. There is a cultural context >>>>> which is certainly important to remember. It's worth remembering too those >>>>> that were lost in such terrible conditions on their way to America. I >>>>> would >>>>> argue that the music is not all about race and racism. The music has a >>>>> soul >>>>> and that soul is humanist, not racist. It's not racist towards white >>>>> people >>>>> from Europe. Drexciya stands against slavery. We are all human beings. We >>>>> are each responsible to our own behaviour, and our shared futures. The >>>>> music transcends race and racism. We fight the power, and the slavers >>>>> wherever they may be. Drawing a line in the sand and saying that you don't >>>>> belong here is not quite what I think is intended by the music either. We >>>>> are all belong to the sea in some way. It's the strongest idea about it I >>>>> feel. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sigh. I am absolutely disgusted by RA's handling of this at time of >>>>> publishing and since. Denise makes great points. Liz Copeland's interview >>>>> with James Stinson is also used. I am tired and cranky and thus this post >>>>> ain't eloquent. Someone just sent me this link (below) re RA that was >>>>> published Oct 11, just a few days before the >>>>> original--uncredited--Drexciya >>>>> feature. The linked feature on RA is especially relevant re the mess they >>>>> made this week and how the concerns of Denise and others were ignored and >>>>> 313-moderator Kent's concerns "downvoted": >>>>> https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 11:12 AM Denise Dalphond, < >>>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I told RA what I thought. They ignored me. That's what usually happens. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM Callum MacGregor < >>>>> callum.macgre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What about redubbing the audio with you narrating? Make a corrected >>>>> version.... >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, 16:06 Denise Dalphond, <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James >>>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that >>>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on! >>>>> >>>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the >>>>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off >>>>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of >>>>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from >>>>> the colonizer. >>>>> >>>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually >>>>> all the way super duper is all about race and racism. >>>>> >>>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the >>>>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A lot. >>>>> >>>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and >>>>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. >>>>> >>>>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask >>>>> John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans >>>>> alike. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Denise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis <j...@jeffreyjdavis.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short >>>>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts >>>>> behind Drexciya. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 >>>>> >>>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jeffrey J Davis >>>>> >>>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com >>>>> >>>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com >>>>> >>>>> 218.833.2847 <(218)%20833-2847> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
