Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even correct. The image is not from RBMA. Secondly, I don't consider RA real journalism. It's a blog for all intents and purposes...this does not mean they shouldn't cite, credit, their sources properly.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:44 AM Aidan O'Doherty <aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote: > It was DJ Moxie who provided the narration. White and English. > > On Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:37 Shaun Fogarty, <fogg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya later >> when I get to sit down. Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply about the >> context of the music. >> >> Cheers, >> Shaun (England) >> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 19:28, David A. Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of >>> black innovators not getting credit, there is an even more common story of >>> exploitation in the music industry: musicians and creators who get ripped >>> off, whether it's theft by a manager, record labels stealing, or this >>> current example. This kind of exploitation goes on all the time, and I do >>> believe musicians, writers, and artists, need to work to take whatever >>> steps they can to stop such theft. Let me tell you, I lived in the D, if >>> someone steals from you there, they better be prepared to get their ass >>> beat. I'm just saying... >>> >>> 2. It's racist to make assumptions about race and cultural background >>> based on someone's accent. >>> >>> 3. All civilized societies to this day, use slave labor in some forms. >>> In the global economy, slavery is simply pushed to the margins: slaves >>> still work in mines to get stuff that goes into our high tech gadgets. As >>> long as civilization uses slaves, there are going to be ideologies that >>> justify the exploitation. US racism is rooted in the history of slavery, >>> but also in the economic competition between north and south, and the fact >>> that the industrialized north didn't need slave labor because it had found >>> a more efficient way to exploit human labor. >>> >>> 4. The meaning of work, slavery, and exploitation is going to change in >>> a society run by machines. >>> >>> And #4 is why Drexciya and techno are relevant--we live in a society of >>> machines, and slave labor is embedded in the very machines we use to >>> communicate with each other and to create techno music. >>> >>> Drexciya's music reflects the experience of the people who made it, >>> including being black, growing up in Detroit, the history of US slavery and >>> racism, etc. But SLAVERY is not a "black issue" it's a human issue, which >>> is explored from a particular viewpoint rooted in a particular cultural >>> experience. >>> >>> Music is not ABOUT ideas. Music is a living experience that cannot be >>> put into words. >>> If it could be put into words, then the music would actually be >>> redundant! >>> If you want ideas, read a book. >>> The experience of listening to a Drexciya record is totally different >>> than talking about it. >>> Nothing you could say about a Drexciya record, would exhaust the >>> potential wealth of meanings and experience that the record contains. >>> Art is open ended, that's what makes it art and not propaganda... >>> >>> >>> ~David >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense of >>>> equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things. >>>> >>>> RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an >>>> international city whose residents are less racist than average. It seems >>>> that the most racist parts of the world are the parts with the least amount >>>> of diversity. This obviously because when you live and work with people >>>> from all over the world you see them as human beings. The narrator could be >>>> black, but from London. >>>> >>>> Not giving credit, clearly is unprofessional. The accent of the >>>> narrator, I don't think is a problem. I'd love to see and hear more talk of >>>> Detroit music from Detroiters, and for Drexciya specifically, well - an >>>> African accent could be perfect. >>>> >>>> I do wonder if race and racism entirely an artificial idea, that it is >>>> really down to a tribalism. It's something I think is often used to >>>> manipulate people in times of war (or conquest), and to sow division. Isn't >>>> race more a colonial idea, to justify the theft of land from its native >>>> people? These days we should know that we're all the same race, and that >>>> there are so many colours. Nobody is simply white or black. There is no >>>> black or white. Except, where positive discrimination is due. >>>> >>>> I'm lucky never to have experienced racial discrimination. I've rarely >>>> seen any racism, and certainly less as time goes by. However, things could >>>> change, but I'm thankful to live somewhere there is very little of this, >>>> with respect to people from many places. Things have been sliding backwards >>>> though, throughout Europe. Still, Europeans are not responsible for racism >>>> in the US. There are people that are responsible, and you'll find them in >>>> positions of power, using it as a tool, a method of control. IMHO. >>>> >>>> I'd be really disappointed if the music was _all_ about race and >>>> racism. I don't think that's a fair representation. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 5:25 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit >>>> music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music >>>> is only for people of color. White people are never excluded from anything. >>>> And in 2018, unintentional? Please. >>>> >>>> Luis Manuel Garcia writes amazing pieces about intersectionality in >>>> club culture for RA. They have the information, they’re just choosing to be >>>> old grampas about it. >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:56, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> As a white person who grew up in Scotland, listening to Public Enemy, >>>> and Paris, and reading the biography of Malcolm X, I don't exactly feel >>>> comfortable making comment here. I think here there's clearly a lack of >>>> sensitivity. It is likely to be unintentional, and in the case of the >>>> unattributed source, they have at least corrected this soon after the issue >>>> was raised publicly in the past few days. >>>> >>>> I appreciate that race and racism have a lot to do with the Drexciya >>>> story and UR. However, I do feel that the assertion here that it is _all_ >>>> about race and racism, should be challenged. There is a cultural context >>>> which is certainly important to remember. It's worth remembering too those >>>> that were lost in such terrible conditions on their way to America. I would >>>> argue that the music is not all about race and racism. The music has a soul >>>> and that soul is humanist, not racist. It's not racist towards white people >>>> from Europe. Drexciya stands against slavery. We are all human beings. We >>>> are each responsible to our own behaviour, and our shared futures. The >>>> music transcends race and racism. We fight the power, and the slavers >>>> wherever they may be. Drawing a line in the sand and saying that you don't >>>> belong here is not quite what I think is intended by the music either. We >>>> are all belong to the sea in some way. It's the strongest idea about it I >>>> feel. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Duke wrote: >>>> >>>> Sigh. I am absolutely disgusted by RA's handling of this at time of >>>> publishing and since. Denise makes great points. Liz Copeland's interview >>>> with James Stinson is also used. I am tired and cranky and thus this post >>>> ain't eloquent. Someone just sent me this link (below) re RA that was >>>> published Oct 11, just a few days before the original--uncredited--Drexciya >>>> feature. The linked feature on RA is especially relevant re the mess they >>>> made this week and how the concerns of Denise and others were ignored and >>>> 313-moderator Kent's concerns "downvoted": >>>> https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 11:12 AM Denise Dalphond, < >>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I told RA what I thought. They ignored me. That's what usually happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM Callum MacGregor < >>>> callum.macgre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> What about redubbing the audio with you narrating? Make a corrected >>>> version.... >>>> >>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, 16:06 Denise Dalphond, <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James >>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that >>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on! >>>> >>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the >>>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off >>>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of >>>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from >>>> the colonizer. >>>> >>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually >>>> all the way super duper is all about race and racism. >>>> >>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the >>>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A lot. >>>> >>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and >>>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. >>>> >>>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask >>>> John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans >>>> alike. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Denise >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>> *schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis <j...@jeffreyjdavis.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short >>>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts >>>> behind Drexciya. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 >>>> >>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> Jeffrey J Davis >>>> >>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com >>>> >>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com >>>> >>>> 218.833.2847 <(218)%20833-2847> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
