Correction: RA started in Sydney, Australia. I had no idea. More info on the link Andrew Duke posted on Facebook a couple of hours ago. Interesting read... https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11?fbclid=IwAR1wnHPp9LeevgALatCV4HFankUuF90XVEtSuUNYsrWZ794F-KlkKw5703U
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 7:49 PM, Alana Blue wrote: > Not to add more fire to this discussion but what RA credits isn't even > correct. The image is not from RBMA.> Secondly, I don't consider RA real > journalism. It's a blog for all > intents and purposes...this does not mean they shouldn't cite, credit, > their sources properly.> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:44 AM Aidan O'Doherty > <aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:>> It was DJ Moxie who provided the > narration. White and English. >> >> On Thu 18 Oct 2018, 19:37 Shaun Fogarty, <fogg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> What a fantastic discussion. I am inspired to spin some Drexciya >>> later when I get to sit down. Maybe I’ll try to think more deeply >>> about the context of the music.>>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shaun (England) >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 19:28, David A. Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote:>>>> 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact >>> of >>>> black innovators not getting credit, there is an even more >>>> common story of exploitation in the music industry: musicians >>>> and creators who get ripped off, whether it's theft by a >>>> manager, record labels stealing, or this current example. This >>>> kind of exploitation goes on all the time, and I do believe >>>> musicians, writers, and artists, need to work to take whatever >>>> steps they can to stop such theft. Let me tell you, I lived in >>>> the D, if someone steals from you there, they better be prepared >>>> to get their ass beat. I'm just saying...>>>> >>>> 2. It's racist to make assumptions about race and cultural >>>> background based on someone's accent.>>>> >>>> 3. All civilized societies to this day, use slave labor in some >>>> forms. In the global economy, slavery is simply pushed to the >>>> margins: slaves still work in mines to get stuff that goes into >>>> our high tech gadgets. As long as civilization uses slaves, >>>> there are going to be ideologies that justify the exploitation. >>>> US racism is rooted in the history of slavery, but also in the >>>> economic competition between north and south, and the fact that >>>> the industrialized north didn't need slave labor because it had >>>> found a more efficient way to exploit human labor.>>>> >>>> 4. The meaning of work, slavery, and exploitation is going to >>>> change in a society run by machines.>>>> >>>> And #4 is why Drexciya and techno are relevant--we live in a >>>> society of machines, and slave labor is embedded in the very >>>> machines we use to communicate with each other and to create techno >>>> music.>>>> >>>> Drexciya's music reflects the experience of the people who made it, >>>> including being black, growing up in Detroit, the history of US >>>> slavery and racism, etc. But SLAVERY is not a "black issue" it's a >>>> human issue, which is explored from a particular viewpoint rooted >>>> in a particular cultural experience.>>>> >>>> Music is not ABOUT ideas. Music is a living experience that cannot >>>> be put into words.>>>> If it could be put into words, then the music would >>>> actually be >>>> redundant!>>>> If you want ideas, read a book. >>>> The experience of listening to a Drexciya record is totally >>>> different than talking about it.>>>> Nothing you could say about a >>>> Drexciya record, would exhaust the >>>> potential wealth of meanings and experience that the record >>>> contains.>>>> Art is open ended, that's what makes it art and not >>>> propaganda...>>>> >>>> >>>> ~David >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM Steven Robertson <steve.r@k- >>>> os.net> wrote:>>>>> __ >>>>> I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense >>>>> of equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things.>>>>> >>>>> RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an >>>>> international city whose residents are less racist than average. >>>>> It seems that the most racist parts of the world are the parts >>>>> with the least amount of diversity. This obviously because when >>>>> you live and work with people from all over the world you see them >>>>> as human beings. The narrator could be black, but from London.>>>>> >>>>> Not giving credit, clearly is unprofessional. The accent of the >>>>> narrator, I don't think is a problem. I'd love to see and hear >>>>> more talk of Detroit music from Detroiters, and for Drexciya >>>>> specifically, well - an African accent could be perfect.>>>>> >>>>> I do wonder if race and racism entirely an artificial idea, that >>>>> it is really down to a tribalism. It's something I think is often >>>>> used to manipulate people in times of war (or conquest), and to >>>>> sow division. Isn't race more a colonial idea, to justify the >>>>> theft of land from its native people? These days we should know >>>>> that we're all the same race, and that there are so many colours. >>>>> Nobody is simply white or black. There is no black or white. >>>>> Except, where positive discrimination is due.>>>>> >>>>> I'm lucky never to have experienced racial discrimination. I've >>>>> rarely seen any racism, and certainly less as time goes by. >>>>> However, things could change, but I'm thankful to live somewhere >>>>> there is very little of this, with respect to people from many >>>>> places. Things have been sliding backwards though, throughout >>>>> Europe. Still, Europeans are not responsible for racism in the US. >>>>> There are people that are responsible, and you'll find them in >>>>> positions of power, using it as a tool, a method of control. IMHO.>>>>> >>>>> I'd be really disappointed if the music was _all_ about race and >>>>> racism. I don't think that's a fair representation.>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 5:25 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about >>>>>> Detroit music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t >>>>>> communicate that the music is only for people of color. White >>>>>> people are never excluded from anything. And in 2018, >>>>>> unintentional? Please.>>>>>> >>>>>> Luis Manuel Garcia writes amazing pieces about intersectionality >>>>>> in club culture for RA. They have the information, they’re just >>>>>> choosing to be old grampas about it.>>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:56, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> As a white person who grew up in Scotland, listening to >>>>>> Public >>>>>>> Enemy, and Paris, and reading the biography of Malcolm X, I >>>>>>> don't exactly feel comfortable making comment here. I think here >>>>>>> there's clearly a lack of sensitivity. It is likely to be >>>>>>> unintentional, and in the case of the unattributed source, they >>>>>>> have at least corrected this soon after the issue was raised >>>>>>> publicly in the past few days.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I appreciate that race and racism have a lot to do with the >>>>>>> Drexciya story and UR. However, I do feel that the assertion >>>>>>> here that it is _all_ about race and racism, should be >>>>>>> challenged. There is a cultural context which is certainly >>>>>>> important to remember. It's worth remembering too those that >>>>>>> were lost in such terrible conditions on their way to America. I >>>>>>> would argue that the music is not all about race and racism. The >>>>>>> music has a soul and that soul is humanist, not racist. It's not >>>>>>> racist towards white people from Europe. Drexciya stands against >>>>>>> slavery. We are all human beings. We are each responsible to our >>>>>>> own behaviour, and our shared futures. The music transcends race >>>>>>> and racism. We fight the power, and the slavers wherever they >>>>>>> may be. Drawing a line in the sand and saying that you don't >>>>>>> belong here is not quite what I think is intended by the music >>>>>>> either. We are all belong to the sea in some way. It's the >>>>>>> strongest idea about it I feel.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Duke wrote: >>>>>>>> Sigh. I am absolutely disgusted by RA's handling of this at >>>>>>>> time of publishing and since. Denise makes great points. Liz >>>>>>>> Copeland's interview with James Stinson is also used. I am >>>>>>>> tired and cranky and thus this post ain't eloquent. Someone >>>>>>>> just sent me this link (below) re RA that was published Oct 11, >>>>>>>> just a few days before the original--uncredited--Drexciya >>>>>>>> feature. The linked feature on RA is especially relevant re the >>>>>>>> mess they made this week and how the concerns of Denise and >>>>>>>> others were ignored and 313-moderator Kent's concerns >>>>>>>> "downvoted":>>>>>>>> https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 11:12 AM Denise Dalphond, >>>>>>>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>> I told RA what I thought. >>>>>>>> They ignored me. That's what usually >>>>>>>>> happens.>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>>>>>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>>>>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM Callum MacGregor >>>>>>>>> <callum.macgre...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>> What about redubbing >>>>>>>>> the audio with you narrating? Make a >>>>>>>>>> corrected version....>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, 16:06 Denise Dalphond, >>>>>>>>>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> I love Drexciya. And >>>>>>>>>> it's really cool to be able to hear >>>>>>>>>>> from James Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And >>>>>>>>>>> it's pretty amazing that Andrew Duke did that interview. >>>>>>>>>>> It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first >>>>>>>>>>> posted the video, and why is there a white woman's british >>>>>>>>>>> voice narrating? It's off putting. They're using the voice >>>>>>>>>>> of the colonizer to tell the story of brilliant, musical >>>>>>>>>>> escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from the >>>>>>>>>>> colonizer.>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this >>>>>>>>>>> actually all the way super duper is all about race and >>>>>>>>>>> racism.>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in >>>>>>>>>>> europe, the birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A >>>>>>>>>>> lot.>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about >>>>>>>>>>> preserving and protecting and respecting the culture that >>>>>>>>>>> made this music.>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't >>>>>>>>>>> they ask John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful >>>>>>>>>>> to artists and fans alike.>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Denise >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.* >>>>>>>>>>> *ethnomusicologist* >>>>>>>>>>> *schoolcraftwax.work* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis >>>>>>>>>>> <j...@jeffreyjdavis.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretty sure most of you >>>>>>>>>>> saw this already but I thought this >>>>>>>>>>>> short>>>>>>>>>>>> video did a good job encapsulating and >>>>>>>>>>>> contextualizing the >>>>>>>>>>>> concepts>>>>>>>>>>>> behind Drexciya. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as >>>>>>>>>>>> well!!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey J Davis >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 218.833.2847[1] >>>>>>> >>>>> Links: 1. tel:(218)%20833-2847
