surely it is possible to have a conversation on a conceptual level, rather than just saying "I like that!", "I don't like that!" I admit to not having heard the latest hawtin mix, but I heard the last one (and it was pretty dull). I am no technophobe and also I am no purist so let's leave those arguments behind. This album is billed as a technological step forward because it is using a cut n paste style on techno itself, which itself is a pretty cut n paste style. Do you think that you can continue this process indefinitely so that there are no new original (per se) sources being used and that music is forever being recycled to create new music? Does this not eventually make the music creatively bankrupt? alastair
"Jongsma, K.J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 31/08/2001 11:13:07 AM To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] DE9 closer > My first question was is it good DJing? > The answer is no because DJing is not involved, but you tell > me that it's > incredibly difficult to do. 'It's DJ-ing Jim but not as we know it' This it's not'really dj-ing'thing sounds a lot like the discussion people try to have with me when techno and house music came around. People claiming we made bad music or it wasn't music at all just because we used some new and easy technology. > I am not claiming to be a scientist! That's why he's got his > Phd! I believe > that he know's more about science than me! I'm more > interested in music. OK, just remember the phrase "I'm more interested in music" i'll get back to that later. > Good tracks? > Admittedly, the scientist is not claiming these tracks as his > own. But he's > cut up the piano break from Strings of Life! > Does it sound better then the original!? Oh please not the 'Don't touch Strings of Live because it's the holy grail of techno and any atempt to use it in another way is lame anyway' argument. Also remind the strings of live phrase. > Can anyone listen to it? > Well, obviously you can listen to it in the comfort of your own living > room, but to hear it in a club you have to get the scientist around > because only he knows the technology. Huh? What is your problem with scientists? So he uses something you never got into, so what? So you need him in a club do this cut-n-paste trick, so what. You need a live-act if you wanna hear the music preformed in a club, they also use technology. If you wanna do a DJ mix then you need the DJ to do mix, he is the only scientist who knows the DJ technology. I really don't see a problem. > If it sounds good then fine (I haven't listened to it and I > have not dissed > it) but the concept sounds suspect to me. Erm, so you are "more interested in music" but you are trying to discuss a concept without ever listing to the actual album to hear how it sounds? And if you are more interested in the music why-o-why do are you talking about the way he use specific tracks like strings of live? Please listen to the album first before you try to start a discussion about it... You seem confident > that these > sort of innovations are part of the 'DJing' future, but it > seems to me that > creativity is not enhanced by technology (shock horror). My > simple argument > is by comparing the 60s (minimal technology) to today (almost > unlimited > technology). There are less astonishingly creative people > around today. I never said it was a creative album BECAUSE he used this technology. I just used the technolgy argument for the 'this not a real DJ album part' and there is a lot of technolgy involved in DJ-ing and yes there is also a hughe amount of creativity. I am not trying to start a discussion about wheter or not technolgy is responsible for creativity because it's just a matter of taste if you do like 60's music more then music from nowadays i think. For me there are as many creative people today then there where 40 years ago. The last time i checked there is always a man behind the machine, so technolgy is just another tool to make music. Having more or less advanced equipment is not a way to measure the amount of creative, it never was and it never will be. So please listen to the album before saying things like "Am I the only person that finds the concept of this Hawtin album a bit up its own arse?". For someone who claims to be "more interested in music" and "not claiming to be a scientist!" you make a really big deal from this scientist thing instead of listinging to the actaul album. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. 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