as a very veteran studnet for history i have learend that. no matter what no matter when. groups of people dominated other groups of people. not giving them "rights" or just killing them. i think the question is bigger, as i see it time is not relevant here. people should stop looking at them selves as groups but as a personal units. but this is way way off topic!!! y ----- Original Message ----- From: "xx xx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [313] can't we all just get along?
> To : Tim, Rusty, Gerald, Nicole, Phonopsia, Arne, Berislav, Gerald, > Alexandre, SCB, Armin, ....... > > IF you want to have a better understanding about What,Why,When, you should > take it at the roots, they've come from a long way, and they have still > miles to go before "IT" ended up. > > You don’t have to be an academic to know that the civil-rights > movement of the 1950s and ’60s is one of the most deeply complicated > chapters in American history. Likewise, you need only a passing knowledge of > this chapter to know that black music provided a crucial "ROLE" blocked by > the governement, the establishment, the institutional economy, the media, > and so on.... since then. But to take on the daunting task of definitively > contextualizing the relationship between these two movements, you’d > likely have to be an academic and sadist. If you want to know more just grab > : > > Just My Soul Responding : Rhythm and Blues, Black Consciousness, and Race > Relations > by Brian Ward > What the Music Said : Black Popular Music and Black Public Culture by Mark > Anthony Neal > A Change Is Gonna Come : Music, Race & the Soul of America by Craig Hansen > Werner > The Power of Black Music : Interpreting Its History from Africa to the > United States by Samuel A., Jr. Floyd > > And if you don't like reading, listen Mahalia Jackson " I've heard of a city > called heaven" , if you got soul, you'll get the MESSAGE. > > > >From: "Cyborg K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >CC: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] can't we all just get along? > >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:23:52 +0000 > > > > In the USA, racial injustice (esp. in terms of black/white) does NOT > >simply stem from an awareness of superficial differences in skin color. It > >stems from our history of slavery and institutionalized racism that have > >conditioned people over many years (and even outside the USA, the history > >of > >colonization of the OTHER must be considered as a historical reality). > >People's mental attitudes reflect a historical reality that has conditioned > >them (in Mad Mike's words "programmed") them to respond to race in certain > >ways. More generally, the "WHITE MALE" actually has historically been (and > >continues to be) in control economically and politically; therefore, when > >people internalize an attitude that the white male is superior, they are > >simply building a mental image that conforms to what already exists as > >historical/material reality. Those who command and control are respected, > >their ideas are accepted as being true and naturally by virtue of their > >real > >position of power in a system of hierarchies; that is what allows the > >programmers to so easily instill their set of values within the masses. So > >dealing with racism means confronting history and really existing power > >structures, not simply confronting "irrational" prejudices and attempting > >to > >be color blind. This would mean you would need to approach the question of > >race in techno from a completely different perspective than the one you are > >bringing. /cyborg k > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "Rusty Blasco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] can't we all just get along? > >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:01:15 -0500 > > > > > >Racial injustice stems from an awareness of the differences in superficial > >physical characteristics (i.e. skin color) and the subsequent exploitation > >and oppression of persons exhibiting such differences. > >In order to address racial matters as they relate to music, one must raise > >an awareness of the same physical traits which precede the problem in the > >first place. > > > >Now I know that racism stems from the mind, and prejudice isn't necessarily > >an inborn quality. Yet it seems to perpetuate, even among the open minded > >in our world, through sheer repetition of the issue at stake. In other > >words, I may not see a black person as any lesser a man than a white > >person, > >but I'll damn well be forced to ponder the thought the more incessantly I'm > >faced with the question. Suggestion is a very valuable tool (as proven by > >numerous examples in history and especially by the work of many modern > >psychologists). When reinforced over time, it solidifies into an implicit > >belief until it eventually establishes itself as a hardline value. > > > >Paul Virilio: > >"Resistance is always possible! But we must engage in resistance first of > >all by developing the idea of a technological culture. However, at the > >present time, this idea is grossly underdeveloped. For example, we have > >developed an artistic and a literary culture. Nevertheless, the ideals of > >technological culture remain underdeveloped and therefore outside of > >popular > >culture and the practical ideals of democracy. This is also why society as > >a > >whole has no control over technological developments. And this is one of > >the > >gravest threats to democracy in the near future. 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