I think the original post had other more interesting food-for-thought items which have nothing to do with this sterile discussion of comparing early 313 and contemporary swedish loop techno.
What i found worthy of discussion (or rather reading other discuss it since im a little too ignorant on these matters) was spw's opinion on how many people have turned their back on techno and moved on to "IDM, Larry Heard, Broken Beat, Moodyman, "soulful" house, electro". This tied into what AO was talking about in his interview - how techno in tha D is dying, has been killed off etc. This I find is more interesting than sitting here arguing about this track-or-that-track. I think, as spw and AO said, it has alot to do with age - we are all getting older, and after a while certain styles of music becomes tiring or boring or annoying, so some of us move on to other stuff. And even though Alan may have a point, I also believe he is bitter about the fact that in Detroit (from what I gathered) hard techno just isnt in anymore.... I personally believe techno isnt dying nor it is represented only by Swedish loop bangers nor old-skool detroit. I think contemporary, post-techno techno (if youll pardon the pun) is represented by a lot of the more minimal and subtle and sophisticated stuff that seems to be coming out of northern europe as well as other parts of the world....im thinking of carsten jost and stewart walker in particular, but also of others (who i can't think of at the moment). In regards of "soul" in techno music, i personally do not think it has to do much with what instruments you use or samples but rather the structure, and therefore the atmosphere, of the song. Look at the whole techno-soul school for an example of what im trying to explain. I also think you can find soulful loop techno nad i dont think its the 1% of the scene. I have often heard the Naples peeps play and i find their production and sets to be very funky and very soulful, even if looping away at 140 bpms. I'd like to expand this with more corroborative evidence but alas, I lack the musical knowledge most of you here have. I hope I wasn't too confusing.... fab ----- Original Message ----- From: "spw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Klaas Jan Jongsma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant) > Oh c'mon I'm talking about UR - Punisher rirrrr... rirrrr... rirrr... > rirrr... rirrrr... it's very repetitive techno. > > on 2/12/03 10:30 AM, Klaas Jan Jongsma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > This is actually the most crap reply i have seen in months! Almost > > every piece of modern dance music has a melody bar that is repeated! > > This does not make it looptechno! > > > > Every dance record must make sense over a good installation, otherwise > > it misses it points, every record that is played by a DJ is a DJ tool > > in your view!!!! >
