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From: "Matt MacQueen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: (313) "Jaguar" Strings on 80s House record?


> > no one has mentioned the possibility that they both sampled
> > strings from the same source and then flipped them differently.
> > obviously this house track was made during a period of sample
> > heavy marrs/coldcut influenced stuff. so its entirely possible the
> > strings are from an old song and that they both sampled the same
> > original track, just different parts and in different ways.
>
> Interesting theory.  But I'd wager that the strings in Jaguar were
> PLAYED, and are not a sample to begin with.  Esp. with that crazy solo
> at the end.

That, and they sound like synthetic strings. I mean, they could be a sample,
but it sounds very 'factory preset' to me. It would probably be a whole lot
more effort than its worth to lift that particular string sound out of a
track that has no breakdowns. Also (since we all seem to agree that if it
were sampled, he re-played some of the melodies), sampling those strings at
any point in time in the Carino track you would be getting a sample of a
full chord, and when that is transposed up and down the keyboard, you will
get a different, detuned effect than if it were one note transposed up and
down the keyboard. For instance, a C Minor chord would be C, E flat, G, B
flat, and if you sample that, then play an E in the keyboard, you would get
E, G flat, A, B flat, rather than 'E', and G flat and B flat are not in the
C minor scale - thus the perceived detuning. Or something like that (distant
memories of unused musical theory not enjoying this rare excercise)... ;)
I'm sure you all know what a detuned sample sounds like transposed up and
down a keyboard, and it wouldn't work like Jaguar sounds. Think: Pepe
Braddock or Theo Parrish samples rather than Octave One string
orchestrations. Pepe Braddock or Theo Parrish couldn't have taken the Deep
Burnt/UGE 003 sample from Freddie Hubbard's 'Little Sunflower' and played
bits of that up and down the keyboard without making it sounds really bent.

Tristan
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