Bit late in the day to throw in my 2 cents, but the way I understand it is this: Rave is a term rarely in use these days in the UK, and then it is usually just used as a verb, ie to go raving. Its use as a noun to describe the large-scale semi-legal/illegal outdoor events that occurred in the late 80s/early 90s has largely dropped out of use in England because these events don't really happen anymore (thanks to the Criminal Justice Bill), except as large corporate sponsored events. It was also used to describe the music played at some of these events, a sound that diversified into jungle and happy hardcore. I think many people also used it to describe the more commercial music that was coming out - tunes like Smart Es' Sesam-E Street and Prodigy's Charly (incidentally Mills dropped this in his recent set at The End in London). I think rave is now seen primarily as an embarrassing word that parents and authority figures use to decribe something that the kids get up to. Now that large scale raves are happening in the US, it seems that the word has had something of a renaissance, but only in the US.
-----Original Message----- From: glyph1001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Hip Hop and Techno (was 8-Mile) I will have to agree with robin here and I'm from the US. I read this article in an ooooold DJ Magazine that talked about "The Summer of Love" and there was a part where someone would say (I'm paraphrasing here) "you gonna rave? or have you raved yet?" which meant taking a hit of e and going to a party and "rave" like mad. Indeed the Acid House and Rave are one of the same. \ I suggest doing some research at the mag's website. robin pinning wrote: >>>>The rave scene started over there, as their answer to our Hip-Hop scene. >>>> >>>> >>>don't think that is true....the rave scene developed out of the northern >>>soul scene (from what i've read)...original rave music was acid house (the >>>other key ingredient to raves was the rapid take up of ecstacy at the same >>>time) >>> >>> >>I don't agree that the Acid House Scene was the Rave Scene. I think it was definetly >>"proto-rave", but I don't feel RAVE happened until after the Acid House Raids in 1989, and >>1/2 the promoters went underground into the warehouses. That is when the culture grew, and >>it wasn't just a random occurence of club-rebellion. >> >> > >hmmm we'll agree to disagree... :) > >rave was defo happening around 88's summer of love (see the national >newspaper headlines!!), this was quite a bit before hardcore happened >which was 89/90 -> > > > >>>> Hence all the >>>>dancehall and "street" influences in the original Rave Music: Hardcore. >>>> >>>> >>>that came later... >>> >>> >>nah, Hardcore started in 1987, with Lennie de Ice's "We Are I.E.", and the early SUAD >>releases. >> >> > >SUAD started in 1989 (i have a few of their releases, froma round the >time) and i'm failry sure "we are ie" came out in 89 too (what a tune btw) > > >cheers > >robin... > > > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
