It depends- I've definitetly mumbled some stuff to a couple of peepz about labels not being around in 5 years time to release music but it's not really the time and place to have a long discussion on the subject unfortunately!
2008/9/29 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is > a horrible way to view things? > > Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: > 99% of DJs are complete wankers. > > Present company excepted off course. > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A very quick interjection from me! >> >> We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we >> currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been >> growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the >> customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is >> great because "I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download >> it for free". It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the >> majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting >> something for "nothing". >> >> Jason >> >> Rubadub >> >> 2008/9/26 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Wait a second... >>> >>> how is it _not_ the "fans" fault for Geist not getting paid for his music >>> when people download via P2P before it's even out? >>> >>> you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get >>> it from A to B >>> P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the >>> files on them >>> nobody is holding the "fans" at gun point and telling them that they MUST >>> share the files with all of their friends >>> >>> they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist >>> - especially the struggling independent artist >>> >>> people are looking to get something for nothing >>> >>> it is the "fans" fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions >>> are hurting the musicians they claim to love >>> it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "I can't >>> hear you!" >>> >>> you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the >>> fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians >>> aren't getting paid for it >>> >>> it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give >>> something in return that the musician can use >>> most of the time, that something is financial funding >>> >>> if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't >>> have it - >>> in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a >>> gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires >>> you should be content with having less >>> >>> music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone >>> else >>> >>> continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - >>> they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a >>> friend hurts Morgan Geist >>> >>> MEK >>> >>> "JT Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: >>> >>> > It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic >>> > re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any >>> > balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG >>> > was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to >>> > music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what >>> > site you uh cite. The "artifact" and "reality" of music is ceasing to >>> > exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to >>> > have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave >>> > about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital "objects", >>> > but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and >>> > valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead >>> > of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and >>> > talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm >>> > tired. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Reason it's not a business is because his "fans" won't let him make a >>> > > living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on >>> a >>> > > record that isn't even released yet. >>> > > That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called "fans" >>> say >>> > > straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they >>> > > didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. >>> > > >>> > > That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. >>> > > >>> > > I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could >>> you >>> > > possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? >>> > > >>> > > MEK >>> > > >>> > > Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is >>> > >> > refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living >>> from >>> > >> > music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very >>> > >> > (financially) successful. >>> > >> I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a >>> business >>> > >> and back to a hobby. >>> > >> >>> > >> m >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> >
