Let me once again clarify that there is no special class for blind passengers in 1. air deccan, 2. king fisher, 3. spicejet. 4. goair.
Dr. Rakesh Jain Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 Skype ID: dr.rjain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > Hi Rajeev, > > As I understand it, there are various levels of discount fairs available > depending on the date of booking and the passenger load. For example, > Air deccan tickets for Hyderabad to Bangalore range from 500 to 3100 > excluding airport taxes. 500 tickets are rarely available. On an > average if you book 3 to 4 weeks in advance you will get around > 1000/1200 Around 2 weeks it will be 1500 to 2000. If one is lucky enough > one or two flights do not have too many bookings and even 2 or 3 days > before you get tickets at around 1500 to 2000 or even less. So, what > level of discount do we ask for blind passengers? We can certainly ask > for only discounted fair tickets always for blind persons but I really > don't think they will agree to that. It is too dynamic and fluctuating. > > Regards, > Kiran. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of disability > rights initiative > Sent: Wednesday, 09 August 2006 1:07 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > dear kiran, > thankyou for the clarifications. as i see it the focus should be on > facilities whether it is provided by iaai or by the airlines themselves. > also it is clear that if the discounted tickets are sold out then one > can > avail the concessional tickets. but can we still ask for any disabled > person > to be provided a discounted ticket at all times (as discounted tickets > are > lesser than concessional tickets)even if the discounted tickets are sold > out? the airlines need not break any rules to accomodate the disabled > person > for the discounted ticket and probably they only need to modify their > policy and maybe confirm some discounted tickets only at the last > moment so > as to accomodate a disabled person. or would this not be possible as > these > tickets are an incentive to the early booker? can you clarify this as > well > please. > many thanks > rajive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > >> Let me try to clarify this: >> >> Definitions: >> >> Discounted ticket: This is a ticket offered by the airlines to any >> individual irrespective of their disability or any other condition to >> attract more passengers to their airline. Discounted tickets may be of >> various types and classes. The amount of discount available may > depend >> on the date of booking and the passenger load. >> >> Full fair: This is the full price that exists between a source and a >> destination. >> >> Concessional fair: This fair is offered to persons with disabilities > or >> other catagories on the full fair and not on discounted fair. >> >> Having cleared up the terminology. Let me try to explain the current >> situation. >> >> 1. Before the airlines introduced discounted fairs, there were only > the >> full fair which was paid by most passengers and the concessional fair >> which is paid by disabled passenger. >> 2. Some airlines like Jet Airways had a restriction on the number of >> concessional tickets they were willing to offer on their flights. So, > if >> the flight is almost booked, the passengers who were requesting >> concessional tickets were put on waitlist status. This never happened > to >> me but I have seen it happen to others. Indian Airlines did not have > any >> such restriction on their flights as far as I know. Even in case of > Jet >> Airways, the fact cannot be proved because unlike with Indian > Airlines, >> Jet Airways does not give you a waitlist number and the booking status >> of a flight is not public. >> 3. The number of discounted fair tickets is determined by the airlines >> based on a number of factors including, passenger load on that day, >> competition in the sector and other factors. These fairs may change >> dynamically as airlines try to maximise their returns. In the category >> of discounted fairs, there is no question of concessional fair and as > a >> result there will be no restriction on the number of tickets that > blind >> persons can book on these discounted tickets. >> 4. If there are 25 disabled persons travelling on a flight and only 20 >> discounted tickets are available, the remaining 5 passengers can >> definitely book concessional fair tickets. There is no restriction as >> such except as mentioned in point number 2 above. >> >> These days, more often than not, the discounted fair is less than the >> concessional fair. As a result, I don't see any point in asking > airlines >> to lift the restriction on the fixed number of concessional tickets. >> >> There is no doubt that the concession for an escort will be grosely >> misused. If I am travelling with my wife (just for example, I am still >> single), and there is 50% concession for a blind passenger and an >> escort, I would definitely use the provision inspite of the fact that > 1, >> I can very well travel alone or both of us could travel by train and > 2, >> I have the financial means to pay for a full fair or discounted fair > for >> my wife. >> >> Again, with the discounted fair policy, the concessional fair ticket >> even for an escort may prove a provision not used much. >> >> One more point I would like to add is the fact that the services >> provided to persons with disabilities by low cost airlines is almost > non >> existent in some airports. It should be made mandatory for airlines to >> have staff to assist blind persons in boarding the aircraft and so on. >> This is more so in sectors where only low cost airlines operate. >> Alternatively, these services can be taken up by the airport > authorities >> because 1, they will have enough staff and 2, we as passengers also > pay >> airport taxes and so the airports do earn some revenue. This happens > in >> Dubai where the airport itself is responsible for the services offered >> to disabled passengers. >> >> Regards, >> Kiran. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > disability >> rights initiative >> Sent: Wednesday, 09 August 2006 11:10 AM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >> >> dear rakesh, harish, kiran, manish, rajesh and subramani, >> i am taking the liberty to write to all of you and others on the > matter >> of >> concessional/ discounted tickets to seek some clarifications. to my >> knowledge, during the times of normal fares, concessional tickets were >> offered to pwds irrespective of the fact of how many pwds travelled on >> the >> flight and was given purely on the grounds of disability. check me if > i >> am >> wrong. in recent times discounted tickets are offered to persons other >> than >> pwds on a certain number of seats per flight. this is a business >> practise >> to get as many persons to use the particular airline and has nothing > to >> do >> with disability. so i assume if there are 20 discounted tickets >> available on >> a particular flight and 25 pwds travelling, only 20 might get > discounted >> tickets and the other 5 will have to travel on normal fares , or would >> these >> five then be entitled to concessional tickets? if the former is > correct >> then this logic and practise is discriminatory and needs to be >> addressed. >> in which case what we need to counter is that irrespective of number > of >> discounted seats in a flight pwds should at all times be given >> discounted >> tickets using the logic that if the tickets were not discounted pwds >> would >> in any case have got a concessional ticket. also most of us in the > list >> feel >> that it would not be correct to ask for discounted/ concessional > tickets >> for >> escorts and the airlines need to provide facilities to offset the > same. >> can >> i have your feedback by today evening as we are to place our > suggestions >> by >> tomorrow. >> thanks >> rajive----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >> >> >> > Dear Friends, I think the whole issue of concession is getting >> confused. >> The >> > discounted or concessional tickets for blind passengers a class > apart >> > altogether with all airlines. That is, there are limited number of >> seats >> on >> > each flight. What we require is that even if there is one seat >> available >> in >> > the flight, we must get a confirmed seat. The airlines should not > deny >> us >> > the concessional seats if that particular class is full. Suppose, >> there >> are >> > ten or twenty or maybe two blind passengers who want to fly on a >> flight, >> > according to the present system, all the blind passengers with not > get >> a >> > confirmed seat if the low fair seats are full. Concession is not an >> issue, >> > the issue is availability of concessional ticket to blind passengers >> to >> the >> > last available seat on a given flight. Please give your suggestions. >> > >> > Dr. Rakesh Jain >> > Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >> > Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >> > Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >> > Skype ID: dr.rjain >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:01 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >> Air >> > >> > >> > > Hi Rajiv >> > > >> > > Since the advent of the low cost airline concept, the airlines are >> running >> > > in shoe string budget. Asking for a furthur discount would not > carry >> us >> > > anywhere. makes more sense asking for fascilities. >> > > Let me illustrate an incident, A full fare between Bangalore to >> Hyderabad >> > > last year was arround Rs. 5,000, the discount ticket using >> concession >> > > would >> > > come to arround Rs. 2,500. However the reduced fare without >> concession >> > > came >> > > to Rs. 1,200. Can you expect to get any furthur discount? >> > > Harish. >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "disability rights initiative" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling > by >> Air >> > > >> > > >> > >> i have been following this topic with interest and frankly, i >> admire >> all >> > >> of >> > >> you guys who travel around so confidently without any escorts. > but >> > >> personally, being late blind myself, i am mortally scared of >> travellling >> > >> alone. its not the fear of travelling but the fear of falling of >> steps, >> > >> escalators, railway platforms and the like and strongly feel > that >> for >> > >> air >> > >> travel also escorts should be allowed on discounted tickets like >> in >> the >> > >> railways. i am sure there are quite a few of us who have to > travel >> and >> > >> are >> > >> late blind and a little late in life to overcome the fear. it >> would be >> a >> > >> good idea to encourage views from across the list so as to enable >> us to >> > >> have >> > >> a clearer picture. prasana pinchas case and also rajiv rajans >> case >> > >> (locomotor disabled with cerebral palsy who was forcibly > medicated >> at >> > >> chennai for being mistaken for a mentally ill person) filed by > hrln >> has >> > >> resulted in these guidelines being framed by dgca and ccpd has >> sought >> our >> > >> interventions on these guidelines so i will really appreciate a >> more >> > >> vigorous expression of views on this topic. and if quite a few of >> us >> feel >> > >> that escorts should also be allowed on discounted tickets i feel >> there >> is >> > >> no >> > >> harm in expressing the same. if airlines are offering so many >> tickets >> on >> > >> discounted fares one more for an escort will hardly matter but > this >> is >> my >> > >> personal opinion. >> > >> regards >> > >> rajive >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:12 PM >> > >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling >> by >> Air >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> I get a feeling that you want to argue for argument sake and do >> not >> > >>> want to look at the practical issues and repurcations of your >> arguments. >> > >>> If you cannot travel alone in a flight inspite of the fact that >> the >> > >>> airport authorities and airline staff take good care of you, I > am >> sorry >> > >>> to say but you better not travel anywhere. Railways do not > provide >> any >> > >>> sort of help and so they allow for an escort. This is totally >> > >>> impractical and unfair when it comes to airlines. If you do not >> want >> to >> > >>> travel alone, you are always free to take the train. >> > >>> >> > >>> Secondly, I really don't understand why do people make so much >> fuss >> > >>> about seating. There is no way and it is totally unsafe for any >> sort >> of >> > >>> disabled person to be seated near the emergency exits. And if > the >> staff >> > >>> decides that they can help you better by seating you at a >> particular >> > >>> place, what is the big deal? They can ask anyone to change seats >> and >> not >> > >>> just blind persons. >> > >>> >> > >>> Regards, >> > >>> Kiran. >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 2:02 PM >> > >>> To: ACCESSINDIA@accessindia.org.in >> > >>> Subject: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >> Air >> > >>> >> > >>> Of dear, Let us leave somethings for the nodal agencies to take >> care. >> > >>> We >> > >>> require an escort to assist us during the travel. & we want a >> > >>> concessional >> > >>> ticket for an escort. We do not need an escort if Govt. could > do >> that >> > >>> for >> > >>> us. Let the checking authority take care of verify the veracity >> of a >> > >>> true >> > >>> escort or a 'business associate'??? We are aware of this fraud > is >> > >>> enough to >> > >>> know our responsibilities. But facilities could never be denied >> upon >> > >>> apprehensions. >> > >>> >> > >>> Seating a blind person at the rear or front-should it be an > issue? >> Why >> > >>> should a blind person be discriminated to get allotted a >> particular >> > >>> seat?? >> > >>> Let the crew know where the person is requiring special > attention. >> > >>> >> > >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >>> >> > >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> changes, >> > >>> please visit the list home page at >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> > >>> n >> > >>> >> > >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >>> >> > >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> changes, >> > >> please visit the list home page at >> > >>> >> > >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> -- >> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > >>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >> 8/5/2006 >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >> 8/5/2006 >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> >> > >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> changes, >> > >> please visit the list home page at >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > > >> > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> changes, >> > > please visit the list home page at >> > > >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> > > >> > >> > Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> > >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >> 8/5/2006 >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: > 8/5/2006 >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >> n >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: > 8/5/2006 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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