Hi Rakesh In which sector of I.A. is there no concession? Harish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air
> As I said, In Indian Airlines, the special class for blind and other > disabled persons is "M". It has very limited number of seats, may be, one > or > two on each flight. In some flights they do not have this class at all. In > such,cases, they do not issue blind concession at all and you are forced > to > buy a full fair or any other category of fairs if it is available. I have > more than once faced this situation. > > Dr. Rakesh Jain > Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 > Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 > Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 > Skype ID: dr.rjain > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > >> Hello Rakesh >> >> Indian airlines does not discriminate on this issue. If a seat is >> available, >> then they will give you discount confirmed seat. However, that is not the >> case with Jet Air. They have a quota of concessional seats and keep you >> wait >> listed. Again, it is a matter of economics. Some other airlines don't >> offer >> any concession at all. >> >> In my opinion, DGCA guidelines cannot fall on the ticket fares and >> concessions or any package offered by the airlines. It is frevelous on >> our >> part to make any recommendations on it. >> >> 1) What we should insist upon is that no airlines can deplane or deny >> ticket >> to a blind person who are not escorted. >> >> 2) Permission to carry guide dogs without extra cost. >> 3) To provide wheel chair to the physically disabled without extra cost. >> >> Personally I feel it is a non issue regarding the seating preference made >> by >> airlines for operational reasons. >> >> Let me site an incident which apparently looks discriminatory. >> >> I was once flying with my wife and 2 infants on arm. After I boarded, the >> air hostess came up to us and asked us to sit on either different rows or >> on >> another wing. I thought it was ridiculous and obliged unwillingly, after >> she >> kept insisting there was some rule to that effect. Much later, I narated >> that incident to another hostess who was very friendly. She explained the >> reason for that rule. In each section, eg. a lot of 3 seats, there are 4 >> oxygen ducts. If there are more than 1 infant in arm, during an >> emergency >> there will be a short fall of the oxygen duct. Merely rearranging the >> seating the problem is solved. >> >> By and large when a rule is made, there is a definite purpose for it. We >> may >> not readily understand it. It is my guess that, Jet air may be training >> the >> crew to first go and attend passengers in the last row first during an >> emergency. >> >> Indian airlines, prefers to seat disabled passengers in the first row. >> >> It is in our interest not to disturb this. >> >> Harish >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >> >> >>> Dear Friends, I think the whole issue of concession is getting confused. >>> The >>> discounted or concessional tickets for blind passengers a class apart >>> altogether with all airlines. That is, there are limited number of seats >>> on >>> each flight. What we require is that even if there is one seat available >>> in >>> the flight, we must get a confirmed seat. The airlines should not deny >>> us >>> the concessional seats if that particular class is full. Suppose, there >>> are >>> ten or twenty or maybe two blind passengers who want to fly on a flight, >>> according to the present system, all the blind passengers with not get a >>> confirmed seat if the low fair seats are full. Concession is not an >>> issue, >>> the issue is availability of concessional ticket to blind passengers to >>> the >>> last available seat on a given flight. Please give your suggestions. >>> >>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >>> >>> >>>> Hi Rajiv >>>> >>>> Since the advent of the low cost airline concept, the airlines are >>>> running >>>> in shoe string budget. Asking for a furthur discount would not carry us >>>> anywhere. makes more sense asking for fascilities. >>>> Let me illustrate an incident, A full fare between Bangalore to >>>> Hyderabad >>>> last year was arround Rs. 5,000, the discount ticket using concession >>>> would >>>> come to arround Rs. 2,500. However the reduced fare without concession >>>> came >>>> to Rs. 1,200. Can you expect to get any furthur discount? >>>> Harish. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "disability rights initiative" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >>>> Air >>>> >>>> >>>>> i have been following this topic with interest and frankly, i admire >>>>> all >>>>> of >>>>> you guys who travel around so confidently without any escorts. but >>>>> personally, being late blind myself, i am mortally scared of >>>>> travellling >>>>> alone. its not the fear of travelling but the fear of falling of >>>>> steps, >>>>> escalators, railway platforms and the like and strongly feel that for >>>>> air >>>>> travel also escorts should be allowed on discounted tickets like in >>>>> the >>>>> railways. i am sure there are quite a few of us who have to travel and >>>>> are >>>>> late blind and a little late in life to overcome the fear. it would >>>>> be >>>>> a >>>>> good idea to encourage views from across the list so as to enable us >>>>> to >>>>> have >>>>> a clearer picture. prasana pinchas case and also rajiv rajans case >>>>> (locomotor disabled with cerebral palsy who was forcibly medicated at >>>>> chennai for being mistaken for a mentally ill person) filed by hrln >>>>> has >>>>> resulted in these guidelines being framed by dgca and ccpd has sought >>>>> our >>>>> interventions on these guidelines so i will really appreciate a more >>>>> vigorous expression of views on this topic. and if quite a few of us >>>>> feel >>>>> that escorts should also be allowed on discounted tickets i feel there >>>>> is >>>>> no >>>>> harm in expressing the same. if airlines are offering so many tickets >>>>> on >>>>> discounted fares one more for an escort will hardly matter but this is >>>>> my >>>>> personal opinion. >>>>> regards >>>>> rajive >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:12 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >>>>> Air >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I get a feeling that you want to argue for argument sake and do not >>>>>> want to look at the practical issues and repurcations of your >>>>>> arguments. >>>>>> If you cannot travel alone in a flight inspite of the fact that the >>>>>> airport authorities and airline staff take good care of you, I am >>>>>> sorry >>>>>> to say but you better not travel anywhere. Railways do not provide >>>>>> any >>>>>> sort of help and so they allow for an escort. This is totally >>>>>> impractical and unfair when it comes to airlines. If you do not want >>>>>> to >>>>>> travel alone, you are always free to take the train. >>>>>> >>>>>> Secondly, I really don't understand why do people make so much fuss >>>>>> about seating. There is no way and it is totally unsafe for any sort >>>>>> of >>>>>> disabled person to be seated near the emergency exits. And if the >>>>>> staff >>>>>> decides that they can help you better by seating you at a particular >>>>>> place, what is the big deal? They can ask anyone to change seats and >>>>>> not >>>>>> just blind persons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Kiran. >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 2:02 PM >>>>>> To: ACCESSINDIA@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> Subject: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >>>>>> >>>>>> Of dear, Let us leave somethings for the nodal agencies to take care. >>>>>> We >>>>>> require an escort to assist us during the travel. & we want a >>>>>> concessional >>>>>> ticket for an escort. We do not need an escort if Govt. could do >>>>>> that >>>>>> for >>>>>> us. Let the checking authority take care of verify the veracity of a >>>>>> true >>>>>> escort or a 'business associate'??? We are aware of this fraud is >>>>>> enough to >>>>>> know our responsibilities. But facilities could never be denied upon >>>>>> apprehensions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seating a blind person at the rear or front-should it be an issue? >>>>>> Why >>>>>> should a blind person be discriminated to get allotted a particular >>>>>> seat?? >>>>>> Let the crew know where the person is requiring special attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>>>> n >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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