Hae accepting twise? but, as per my opinion, even as per the escorts, if we have our own escorts that would be much better. be cause, as I feel, they may be knowing our requirements time to time and since they are well known, we can believe them much. even in priminister's flight itself unwanted things are happening though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pranay Gadodia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air
> Hi accessindia friends, > Even i agree to the gang that we should ask or lobby for better > facilities, > better sense of duty from the airport and airline people, better > understanding of people with disability rather than asking concession > from > every service and utility provider. Having blindness or any physical > disability does not make a person incapable to pay for their own personal > or > business expenses which are general in nature. As Harish mentioned that > concession may be asked for when going for medical treatment of fatal or > serious porblems, which applies to any person with or without disability. > I think government or any body gives price concessions or subsidies on the > basis of financial weakness. i know there are many loopholes in our system > due to which the people most benefitted are not the one who are targetted > at. Conventionally the thinking in the public domain was that disabled > people cannot do anything and so they need financial support and rebates > every where. but if som of us has managed to show the reverse, we should > demand broader and deeper things like equal opportunity. > > In this case, we should stress on educating the airline and airport > authorities that people with disabilities are people first and disability > is > just their characteristic, so treat them as any other customer. Ofcourse > disabled people would need some help where they are incapacitated. Lets > pose > ourselves as another good section of a potential customers. > > In this list i heard many people had bad experiences with sahara airlines. > A > month ago i went to Kolkata from delhi both sides by sahara. Ofcourse i > was > carrying my white cane all the time without which it is difficult to move > without bumping here and there. After i took my seat on the delhi - > kolkata, > an air hostess came by herself and asked me if i have some vision problem > to > which i said yes. then she guided me that 14 seats behind us are the > lavoratories, the exact location of the emergency exit and showed by > making > me touch the button to call them for any assistance. Even on the return > journey there weren't any hassles. This may be not the usual attitude of > sahara people vis a vis visually impaired people. > > Some days ago when i went to a metro rail station in delhi, and it being a > new place for me, i was figuring out the way to the platform. A metro rail > employee voluntarily came to me hold my hand and took me towards the > platform. On enquiring he told that he helps anybody who comes there and > needs help. This was a very good gesture from metro rail, if he was > specially deputed for this purpose. > > I think we want such positive sensitisation for disabled people in all the > public utility providers and good professional service in general. Lets > not > confirm the wrong notion of people that disabled people are only takers > and > a burden on society. We should have a logical rationale behind anything we > demand. > > best regards, > > Pranay Gadodia, > Content Research Officer, > Score Foundation. > 125B, Shahpur Jat, > New Delhi - 110 049 > INDIA. > > Mobile: +91 98917 91089 > Phone: +91 - 11 - 2649 4582/81 > Website: www.eyeway.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manish Agrawal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > > I have also been blind late in life, haven't yet had any mobility > training and still need to travel frequently within india and > internationally. > With the kinds of facilities and assistance offered by airlines on > almost all airlines and airports, I have traveled to, I have never felt > the need for an escort to help me get to where I need to go. As a matter > of fact, I have always been much more comfortable and have got things > (like immigration/boarding ) much faster and without hastle with the > airport staff (who are trained to do such things) than with someone > escorting me. > There are of course exceptional one-off bad experiences that I have > heard from people on this and other lists; but I will attribute that > more to human error than to the process/facilities offered by airlines. > I will strongly urge for improvement and standardization of these > facilities across airports and airlines rather than asking for discounts > for escorts. > > Regards, > Manish > > -----Original Message----- > vFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaja, Kiran > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:14 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > Oh well, I once travelled from Hyderabad to Bangalore for Rs 721 > inclusive of taxes. > > Kiran. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harish > Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 9:01 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > Hi Rajiv > > Since the advent of the low cost airline concept, the airlines are > running > in shoe string budget. Asking for a furthur discount would not carry us > anywhere. makes more sense asking for fascilities. > Let me illustrate an incident, A full fare between Bangalore to > Hyderabad > last year was arround Rs. 5,000, the discount ticket using concession > would > come to arround Rs. 2,500. However the reduced fare without concession > came > to Rs. 1,200. Can you expect to get any furthur discount? > Harish. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "disability rights initiative" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > >> i have been following this topic with interest and frankly, i admire > all >> of >> you guys who travel around so confidently without any escorts. but >> personally, being late blind myself, i am mortally scared of > travellling >> alone. its not the fear of travelling but the fear of falling of > steps, >> escalators, railway platforms and the like and strongly feel that for > air >> travel also escorts should be allowed on discounted tickets like in > the >> railways. i am sure there are quite a few of us who have to travel and > are >> late blind and a little late in life to overcome the fear. it would > be a >> good idea to encourage views from across the list so as to enable us > to >> have >> a clearer picture. prasana pinchas case and also rajiv rajans case >> (locomotor disabled with cerebral palsy who was forcibly medicated at >> chennai for being mistaken for a mentally ill person) filed by hrln > has >> resulted in these guidelines being framed by dgca and ccpd has sought > our >> interventions on these guidelines so i will really appreciate a more >> vigorous expression of views on this topic. and if quite a few of us > feel >> that escorts should also be allowed on discounted tickets i feel there > is >> no >> harm in expressing the same. if airlines are offering so many tickets > on >> discounted fares one more for an escort will hardly matter but this is > my >> personal opinion. >> regards >> rajive >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by > Air >> >> >>> I get a feeling that you want to argue for argument sake and do not >>> want to look at the practical issues and repurcations of your > arguments. >>> If you cannot travel alone in a flight inspite of the fact that the >>> airport authorities and airline staff take good care of you, I am > sorry >>> to say but you better not travel anywhere. Railways do not provide > any >>> sort of help and so they allow for an escort. This is totally >>> impractical and unfair when it comes to airlines. If you do not want > to >>> travel alone, you are always free to take the train. >>> >>> Secondly, I really don't understand why do people make so much fuss >>> about seating. There is no way and it is totally unsafe for any sort > of >>> disabled person to be seated near the emergency exits. And if the > staff >>> decides that they can help you better by seating you at a particular >>> place, what is the big deal? They can ask anyone to change seats and > not >>> just blind persons. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Kiran. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 2:02 PM >>> To: ACCESSINDIA@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >>> >>> Of dear, Let us leave somethings for the nodal agencies to take care. >>> We >>> require an escort to assist us during the travel. & we want a >>> concessional >>> ticket for an escort. We do not need an escort if Govt. could do > that >>> for >>> us. Let the checking authority take care of verify the veracity of a >>> true >>> escort or a 'business associate'??? We are aware of this fraud is >>> enough to >>> know our responsibilities. But facilities could never be denied upon >>> apprehensions. >>> >>> Seating a blind person at the rear or front-should it be an issue? > Why >>> should a blind person be discriminated to get allotted a particular >>> seat?? >>> Let the crew know where the person is requiring special attention. >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>> n >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >>> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: > 8/5/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: > 8/5/2006 >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n >> > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i > n > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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