Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white cane, and that too is not well explained. Renuka.
On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote: > Friends, > First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. > Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen > readers. > What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social > dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. > Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me > personal satisfaction matters most. > Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules > questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go > with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good > mobility. > I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without > sighted escort. > Above all, self satisfaction is really important. > Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is > possible. > I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary > sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try > to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. > let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. > Thanks… > > > On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >> assistive devices and all such other things. >> >> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move >> on their own. >> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. >> Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are >> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. >> >> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide >> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on >> others. >> Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not >> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really >> don't know how they actually manage it. >> >> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards >> those who use white canes. >> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic >> change in their behavior. >> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they >> start asking ridiculous questions. >> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I >> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. >> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we >> have? >> >> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the >>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply >>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, >>> free and independent. >>> We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence >>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not >>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. >>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would >>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >>> Best, >>> >>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>>> >>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>>> >>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>> >>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>> >>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. in >>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that point >>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should have >>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about others >>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of holding >>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US there >>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding others >>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should certainly >>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the >>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a >>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either >>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent >>>>>>> enough >>>>>>> to find my ways around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm >>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that >>>>>>>> Mr >>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely >>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be discretion >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> making my own choices for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very >>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >>>>>>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> others. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is >>>>>>>>> compromised, >>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are trying >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu >>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems in >>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do. >>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister who >>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by >>>>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort, >>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of life. >>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you have >>>>>>>>>>to fumble around. >>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly >>>>>>>>>>curtailed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to >>>>>>>>>> afford, >>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>>>>>>>>>utmost importance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by Rajesh. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never >>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total >>>>>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come across >>>>>>>>>> tips >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to >>>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. 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