very well said sir, On 9/24/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid > that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no > vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are > looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation > and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on > escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the > forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone > walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's > nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put > himself or herself in danger. > > Vetri. > > On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <eren...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could >> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white >> cane, and that too is not well explained. >> Renuka. >> >> >> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Friends, >>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all. >>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen >>> readers. >>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social >>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one. >>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me >>> personal satisfaction matters most. >>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules >>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go >>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good >>> mobility. >>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without >>> sighted escort. >>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >>> Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is >>> possible. >>> I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary >>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try >>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. >>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. >>> Thanks… >>> >>> >>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >>>> assistive devices and all such other things. >>>> >>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move >>>> on their own. >>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around. >>>> Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are >>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. >>>> >>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide >>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on >>>> others. >>>> Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not >>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really >>>> don't know how they actually manage it. >>>> >>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards >>>> those who use white canes. >>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic >>>> change in their behavior. >>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they >>>> start asking ridiculous questions. >>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I >>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. >>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we >>>> have? >>>> >>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the >>>>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply >>>>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational, >>>>> free and independent. >>>>> We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence >>>>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not >>>>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. >>>>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would >>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural >>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter >>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which >>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons >>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my >>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the >>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were >>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in >>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted >>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in >>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a >>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing >>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in >>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >>>>>> >>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the >>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will >>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >>>>>> >>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >>>>>> cell: 09433305139 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi sir, >>>>>>>> i agree with all your point. >>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding >>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way. >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural >>>>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its >>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society that >>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> any sort of problem. >>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >>>>>>>> thank you.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time >>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that >>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little >>>>>>>>> sense. >>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean >>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of >>>>>>>>> holding >>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in >>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not >>>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding >>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should >>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the >>>>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a >>>>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either >>>>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent >>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>> to find my ways around. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm >>>>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that >>>>>>>>>> Mr >>>>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely >>>>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be >>>>>>>>>> discretion >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> making my own choices for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take >>>>>>>>>>> responsibility >>>>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> others. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is >>>>>>>>>>> compromised, >>>>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are >>>>>>>>>>> trying >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu >>>>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do. >>>>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it >>>>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even >>>>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister >>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by >>>>>>>>>>>> myself. >>>>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort, >>>>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of >>>>>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>to fumble around. >>>>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly >>>>>>>>>>>>curtailed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to >>>>>>>>>>>> afford, >>>>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of >>>>>>>>>>>>utmost importance. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hi All, >>>>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by >>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never >>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come >>>>>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>>>>> tips >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to >>>>>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. 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