Exactly.
English is nothing more than a medium of communication.

On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a
> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to
> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling.
> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language.
> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state it.
> best,
>
> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher?
>>
>> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese <phenvargh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear, raj debbarman.
>>>
>>> When you type please check what you are typing.
>>> There are a lot of mistakes.
>>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail.
>>>
>>> With regards,
>>>
>>> Phen Varghese
>>>
>>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> i strongly belief that white cane should  use by everyone of us.
>>>> every time its not possible  to walk with your companion. yes it is
>>>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more asential
>>>> to cary white cane along.
>>>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk alone
>>>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt offices and
>>>> hospitals etc.
>>>> ya, when i  go for hang out and colledge i'm  always with my friends.
>>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall,
>>>> discos, night clubs  and restaurants etc.
>>>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come  apart from these
>>>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own
>>>> setisfection.
>>>> my family and my friends are so  caring , they never want to live me
>>>> alone at any point of time.  sometimes i find  so much difficultys to
>>>> convince them.
>>>>
>>>>  thank you..
>>>> regards
>>>>  raj debbarman.
>>>> no:
>>>> +919545810447
>>>> email:
>>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
>>>>> Well said Vetri.
>>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly.
>>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes instead of
>>>>> wasting
>>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a sound idea
>>>>> I
>>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it.
>>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation be
>>>>> taught
>>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in US claim
>>>>> to
>>>>> do?
>>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique?
>>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues
>>>>> practically
>>>>> at
>>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility assistance
>>>>> by
>>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting anybody.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Adhimoolam
>>>>> Vetrivel Murugan
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM
>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
>>>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
>>>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
>>>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
>>>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
>>>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
>>>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
>>>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
>>>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
>>>>> himself or herself in danger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
>>>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
>>>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained.
>>>>>> Renuka.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
>>>>>>>  Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
>>>>>>> readers.
>>>>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
>>>>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
>>>>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
>>>>>>> personal satisfaction matters most.
>>>>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
>>>>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
>>>>>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> mobility.
>>>>>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> sighted escort.
>>>>>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
>>>>>>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
>>>>>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
>>>>>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
>>>>>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
>>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
>>>>>>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
>>>>>>>> assistive devices and all such other things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
>>>>>>>> on their own.
>>>>>>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
>>>>>>>>  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
>>>>>>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted
>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
>>>>>>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
>>>>>>>> don't know how they actually manage it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude
>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>> those who use white canes.
>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
>>>>>>>> change in their behavior.
>>>>>>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
>>>>>>>> start asking ridiculous questions.
>>>>>>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
>>>>>>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
>>>>>>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> have?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
>>>>>>>>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
>>>>>>>>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
>>>>>>>>> free and independent.
>>>>>>>>> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
>>>>>>>>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth,
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
>>>>>>>>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a
>>>>>>>>>> rural
>>>>>>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>>>>>>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
>>>>>>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some
>>>>>>>>>> persons
>>>>>>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
>>>>>>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a
>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying
>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the
>>>>>>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee.
>>>>>>>>>> cell: 09433305139
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace
>>>>>>>>>>> withit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi sir,
>>>>>>>>>>>> i agree with all your point.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new
>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding
>>>>>>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong  to ask direction to  find  our
>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think  there might be cultural
>>>>>>>>>>>> differences reguarding this.  but if you are caring cane  its
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society  that
>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>> of time if  anyone hold your hand, i don't think  anybody should
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> any sort of problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead  to all of you. cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find my ways around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vetri.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discretion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making my own choices for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility  on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secondly  because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sister
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to fumble around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>curtailed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where privacy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>utmost importance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tips
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think, this would be of any problem to people with low
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any tips would also help me to share with our students at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NAB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks a lot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-Srinivasu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula
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