I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866


On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Agreed.

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

    There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment. 
    During that 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple
    times because their elderly relative relied on the internet
    connection to reach out in the case of medical emergencies.

    I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I
    checked Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone
    service there and sent them the link to it.  I also suggested get
    a second Internet service or a cell phone so you have a backup. 
    They said there isn't any other internet service there and
    apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some
    reason and there's no cell reception.

    They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my
    problem, and I'm not interested.

    -Adam

    On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

        AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any
        shield. I really don't see how a service with no SLA could be
        deemed by anyone as emergency communications.

        On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett
        <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with
            an option to
            use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least
            require a
            landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

            There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently
            caused by a
            router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we
            resolved that
            given that it was just about the worst failure possible
            and it happened
            on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time,
            and their
            health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership
            to report it I
            really don't want that on my head.

            -Adam


            On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
            > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still
            living on
            > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly
            works), they don't
            > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices
            now are geared
            > towards the smart home market, where they presume that
            you have an
            > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month
            for the
            > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family
            members close
            > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that
            can make an
            > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably
            more technical
            > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely
            leave it's base
            > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
            >
            > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers
            until someone
            > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
            >
            > Does something like that exist?
            >


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