Yeah, I don't really see that it makes much difference from my point of view how much traffic goes across IPv6... until it's to the point where enough of it is going that way that nobody will care that the IPv4 traffic is behind CGNAT. Otherwise, I don't see that it's going to matter until there gets to be stuff out there that only works over IPv6... then it will matter a lot.
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:43 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I > gain anything from it. > > And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the > mobile phone. Does it matter? > > > On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Matt, that's a strawman. Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 > isn't alive or in demand. > > > > However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's > of your traffic (by volume) will run on IPv6. IPv6 was created 20 years > ago. It's not new or "beta". Adoption has been slow for all the reasons > you stated about costs vs benefits, but IPv4 depletion is pushing this > issue over the hump. > > > > If you're able to get what you need and you're happy with the prices > then nobody's going to make you change, but eventually you're going to get > odd looks like the old guy who won't give up his fax machine. > > > > > >> On 10/23/2019 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > >> Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that > doesn't sound like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like > something that's very much alive and in demand. > >> > >>> On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< > https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< > https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< > https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > >>> > >>> > >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM > >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space > >>> > >>> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's not > >>> practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And until > >>> I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have > >>> an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking > >>> and no financial gain until we need to. > >>> > >>> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead, > >>> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs). > >>> > >>> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it out. > >>> IPv4 will be here for many years to come. > >>> > >>> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Yeah.. No.. > >>> > They are more up to date than you think just not ahead > >>> > > >>> > On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>> >> yeah, no. > >>> >> .gov agencies still run dos > >>> >> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough > to > >>> >> shut down ip4 access > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF < > af@af.afmug.com > >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if > the > >>> >> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No more > FCC/ > >>> >> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current plan is > 2-3 > >>> >> years, I have given it an extra year for measure! > >>> >> > >>> >> V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then > >>> >> you will be making mistakes etc. > >>> >> > >>> >> *LTI-Full_175px* > >>> >> > >>> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >>> >> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, > Cambium > >>> >> ePMP Certified * > >>> >> > >>> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > >>> >> > >>> >> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >>> >> > >>> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > >>> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >>> >> > >>> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > >>> >> <http://www.towercoverage.com> > >>> >> > >>> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com > >>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > >>> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM > >>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space > >>> >> > >>> >> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space > >>> >> > >>> >> IP6 is still years out for us > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett < > dmmoff...@gmail.com > >>> >> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual > >>> >> stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a learning > >>> >> curve, but it's not that bad. > >>> >> > >>> >> -Adam > >>> >> > >>> >> On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Where is the best place to get these? 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