But IPv6 is faster! lol https://www.retevia.net/fast/ <https://www.retevia.net/fast/>
-- ---- Cassidy B. Larson CTO - InfoWest, Inc. Voice: 435-773-6073 c...@infowest.com ---- > On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: > > Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I gain > anything from it. > > And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the mobile > phone. Does it matter? > >> On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Matt, that's a strawman. Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 isn't >> alive or in demand. >> >> However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's of >> your traffic (by volume) will run on IPv6. IPv6 was created 20 years ago. >> It's not new or "beta". Adoption has been slow for all the reasons you >> stated about costs vs benefits, but IPv4 depletion is pushing this issue >> over the hump. >> >> If you're able to get what you need and you're happy with the prices then >> nobody's going to make you change, but eventually you're going to get odd >> looks like the old guy who won't give up his fax machine. >> >> >>> On 10/23/2019 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>> Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that doesn't >>> sound like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like something >>> that's very much alive and in demand. >>> >>>> On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >>>> >>>> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's not >>>> practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And until >>>> I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have >>>> an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking >>>> and no financial gain until we need to. >>>> >>>> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead, >>>> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs). >>>> >>>> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it out. >>>> IPv4 will be here for many years to come. >>>> >>>> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah.. No.. >>>>> They are more up to date than you think just not ahead >>>>> >>>>> On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> yeah, no. >>>>>> .gov agencies still run dos >>>>>> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to >>>>>> shut down ip4 access >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the >>>>>> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No more FCC/ >>>>>> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current plan is 2-3 >>>>>> years, I have given it an extra year for measure! >>>>>> >>>>>> V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. Then >>>>>> you will be making mistakes etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> *LTI-Full_175px* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >>>>>> ePMP Certified * >>>>>> >>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>>>>> >>>>>> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>>> >>>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>>>>> <http://www.towercoverage.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >>>>>> >>>>>> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space >>>>>> >>>>>> IP6 is still years out for us >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual >>>>>> stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a learning >>>>>> curve, but it's not that bad. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify >>>>>> space has a decent reputation so we dont go through months >>>>>> of cleanup and all that stuff? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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