That's a fair point.

On 10/23/2019 1:42 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I gain 
anything from it.

And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the mobile 
phone. Does it matter?

On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Matt, that's a strawman.  Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 isn't 
alive or in demand.

However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's of your traffic 
(by volume) will run on IPv6.  IPv6 was created 20 years ago.  It's not new or 
"beta".  Adoption has been slow for all the reasons you stated about costs vs 
benefits, but IPv4 depletion is pushing this issue over the hump.

If you're able to get what you need and you're happy with the prices then 
nobody's going to make you change, but eventually you're going to get odd looks 
like the old guy who won't give up his fax machine.


On 10/23/2019 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that doesn't sound 
like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like something that's very 
much alive and in demand.

On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish.



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*From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

FUD ALERT!  FUD ALERT!   IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's not
practical.     There are too many things that rely on IPv4.  And until
I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have
an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking
and no financial gain until we need to.

Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead,
management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs).

We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll  it out.
IPv4 will be here for many years to come.

On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote:
  >
  > Yeah.. No..
  > They are more up to date than you think just not ahead
  >
  > On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >> yeah, no.
  >> .gov agencies still run dos
  >> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to
  >> shut down ip4 access
  >>
  >>
  >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com
  >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
  >>
  >>     Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if the
  >>     .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons.  No more FCC/
  >>     IRS or any .GOV unless over v6.  Note that the current plan is 2-3
  >>     years, I have given it an extra year for measure!
  >>
  >>     V6 should be deployed NOW.   Not later, when you HAVE TO.  Then
  >>     you will be making mistakes etc.
  >>
  >>     *LTI-Full_175px*
  >>
  >>     *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
  >>     MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
  >>     ePMP Certified *
  >>
  >>     Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
  >>
  >>     *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
  >>
  >>     *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
  >>     <http://www.linktechs.net/>
  >>
  >>     Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
  >>     <http://www.towercoverage.com>
  >>
  >>     *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
  >>     <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
  >>     *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM
  >>     *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
  >>     <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
  >>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space
  >>
  >>     NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space
  >>
  >>     IP6 is still years out for us
  >>
  >>     On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
  >>     <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >>
  >>         If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual
  >>         stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a learning
  >>         curve, but it's not that bad.
  >>
  >>         -Adam
  >>
  >>         On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >>
  >>             Where is the best place to get these? How do we verify
  >>             space has a decent reputation so we dont go through months
  >>             of cleanup and all that stuff?
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