Regarding gubmint shutting down IPv4 access, this is the US, and the ADA is abused, I guarantee thats what Meemaw will use to sue when she cant get to her benefits on her subsidized connection thats only operating IPv4
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, I don't really see that it makes much difference from my point of > view how much traffic goes across IPv6... until it's to the point where > enough of it is going that way that nobody will care that the IPv4 traffic > is behind CGNAT. Otherwise, I don't see that it's going to matter until > there gets to be stuff out there that only works over IPv6... then it will > matter a lot. > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:43 PM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >> Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I >> gain anything from it. >> >> And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the >> mobile phone. Does it matter? >> >> > On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Matt, that's a strawman. Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 >> isn't alive or in demand. >> > >> > However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's >> of your traffic (by volume) will run on IPv6. IPv6 was created 20 years >> ago. It's not new or "beta". Adoption has been slow for all the reasons >> you stated about costs vs benefits, but IPv4 depletion is pushing this >> issue over the hump. >> > >> > If you're able to get what you need and you're happy with the prices >> then nobody's going to make you change, but eventually you're going to get >> odd looks like the old guy who won't give up his fax machine. >> > >> > >> >> On 10/23/2019 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that >> doesn't sound like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like >> something that's very much alive and in demand. >> >> >> >>> On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- >> >>> Mike Hammett >> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM >> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >> >>> >> >>> FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's >> not >> >>> practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4. And until >> >>> I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have >> >>> an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking >> >>> and no financial gain until we need to. >> >>> >> >>> Right now there is a negative benefit for deploying IPv6 (overhead, >> >>> management, no ROI, can't bill customers for static IPs). >> >>> >> >>> We have a plan, but until it's needed we don't plan to roll it out. >> >>> IPv4 will be here for many years to come. >> >>> >> >>> On 10/23/19 8:54 AM, dave via AF wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > Yeah.. No.. >> >>> > They are more up to date than you think just not ahead >> >>> > >> >>> > On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> >> yeah, no. >> >>> >> .gov agencies still run dos >> >>> >> 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized >> enough to >> >>> >> shut down ip4 access >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF < >> af@af.afmug.com >> >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Keep in mind that IPv6 will be necessary within 2-4 years, if >> the >> >>> >> .govs shutdown access via v4 for security reasons. No more >> FCC/ >> >>> >> IRS or any .GOV unless over v6. Note that the current plan >> is 2-3 >> >>> >> years, I have given it an extra year for measure! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> V6 should be deployed NOW. Not later, when you HAVE TO. >> Then >> >>> >> you will be making mistakes etc. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *LTI-Full_175px* >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> >>> >> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, >> Cambium >> >>> >> ePMP Certified * >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >>> >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >>> >> <http://www.towercoverage.com> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>> >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones >> >>> >> *Sent:* Monday, October 21, 2019 2:07 PM >> >>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> >>> >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space >> >>> >> >> >>> >> NAT problems with BGP are why we are looking for more IP space >> >>> >> >> >>> >> IP6 is still years out for us >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:43 PM Adam Moffett < >> dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >>> >> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual >> >>> >> stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs. There's a >> learning >> >>> >> curve, but it's not that bad. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -Adam >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Where is the best place to get these? 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