Right. But a standard 120volt 20amp outlet like found on many generators will only charge at 5 miles per hour.
> On Nov 30, 2019, at 3:19 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Totally depends on the current of the charger. If you are charging at 400 > amps it does not take long to fill the batts. > > From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 11:56 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > You being a generator and charge at the astounding rate of 5 miles per hour. > > So let’s say you’re 30 miles from town. That’s 6 hours you’ll need to wait > with the generator running. > >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> What do you do when an EV runs out of charge in the middle of nowhere? >> Let’s say you call someone, what do they bring? Can you charge it from a >> typical portable generator? If you call a tow service, do they have fast >> chargers on their trucks? >> >> >> >> Not making a point, just asking. Maybe there is a simple answer. I don’t >> drive an EV so I don’t know. >> >> >> >> Chuck with his Leaf could put it in limp mode and try to make it to a >> charging station, or a hybrid could run on gas. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones >> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 9:35 AM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >> >> >> >> There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50 >> miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard acceleration. >> Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of fuel, but then >> that's not a simple increase in speed. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas vehicle >> while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no load and >> temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when you have >> a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police chase and >> accelerating heavily. >> >> >> >> Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. >> >> >> >> Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so far >> and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our >> second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran >> out of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same >> driving conditions. >> >> >> >> You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas >> vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time >> actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've >> talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have >> stories of cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're >> putting way more load on their cars. >> >> >> >> So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you schedule a >> test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something. I'll say it >> again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2 years with >> more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all the time >> and there will be zero chance of running out of juice. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50 miles of >> range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t efficient at >> high speeds. >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >> >> For that police chase article, the department actually updated and said the >> car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it last. >> He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a full >> charge. Not the Teslas fault. >> >> >> >> https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets >> worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. >> >> >> >> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in the >> winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get about >> 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same things >> that affect battery range. >> >> >> >> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples >> daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the >> 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with >> normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care of >> my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north >> Dakota. It's on their to do list. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes >> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. >> >> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric >> truck: >> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html >> >> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the charge, >> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over 110 >> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. Bosques >> said. >> >> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he started >> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase. >> >> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start up >> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get >> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of >> pulling up the hill. >> >> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter what. >> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage. >> >> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have 200 >> > miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be >> > charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a >> > different mindset. 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