There is no instance where simple increase in speed will take you from 50 miles range to 8 in a gas vehicle. Even heavy braking and hard acceleration. Maybe an 8 mile burn out would consume 50 miles worth of fuel, but then that's not a simple increase in speed.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 9:22 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > Matt, > > I don't believe you've ever actually given any attention to your gas > vehicle while driving it. Look at your mpg during normal driving with no > load and temps about 65. Then check mpg when it's below 30, then again when > you have a trailer attached, then again by pretending you're in a police > chase and accelerating heavily. > > Your mpg will change at nearly equal percentage to electric vehicles. > > Don't knock it until you try it. I've got 35,000 miles on my Tesla so far > and made it through a Minnesota winter already and just going into our > second winter. I've learned a lot but at the end of the day, I've never ran > out of juice and my car is no less efficient than a gas car in the same > driving conditions. > > You've obviously never heard of all the police chases where their gas > vehicles run out of gas during a chase either. It happens all the time > actually, it just doesn't make the news because it's not a Tesla. I've > talked with state troopers and our sheriff's department and they all have > stories of cars running out of gas during highspeed chases because they're > putting way more load on their cars. > > So instead of being a hater just because you can, why don't you schedule a > test drive of a Tesla or other EV's and you can learn something. I'll say > it again, EV's today work for 99% of drivers in the US. In another 2 years > with more charging infrastructure, they'll work for 100% of drivers all the > time and there will be zero chance of running out of juice. > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:06 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >> That’s a fan boy answer. Yes it is the cars fault. The car said 50 miles >> of range. Which then dropped to 8 because electric motors aren’t efficient >> at high speeds. >> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> For that police chase article, the department actually updated and said >> the car wasn't fully charged the night before from the officer who used it >> last. He forgot to plug it in so the car never started the shift with a >> full charge. Not the Teslas fault. >> >> >> https://electrek.co/2019/09/25/tesla-police-cruiser-runs-out-battery-chase-user-error/ >> >> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:43 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Matt, >>> >>> You said gas is the same no matter what. That's totally false. Mpg gets >>> worse in every gad vehicle with cold temps and higher loads as well. >>> >>> In the cold, I've always lost 4 to 8 mpg in my truck or Honda accord in >>> the winter. With the snowmobile trailer pulling behind our chevy, we get >>> about 10mpg compared to our 19mpg without it. >>> >>> I'm not sure why you would say gas vehicles are immune to the same >>> things that affect battery range. >>> >>> Anyway, plugging in every night pretty much handles 99% of most peoples >>> daily miles. I can day our work vans definitely don't drive more than the >>> 300 to 500 mile range the truck will have. My model 3 is 310 miles with >>> normal weather and in the winter, about 250 miles which always takes care >>> of my daily drive. Roadtrips have superchargers all over except in north >>> Dakota. It's on their to do list. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 8:22 AM Matt Hoppes < >>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for bringing that up, Chuck. >>>> >>>> This is exactly what scares me about electric vehicles and an electric >>>> truck: >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/tesla-police-car-chase.html >>>> >>>> “We think it started the pursuit with about 50 miles left on the >>>> charge, >>>> but when cars accelerate at speeds such as the situation, going over >>>> 110 >>>> miles per hour, the car charge starts to drain down faster,” Ms. >>>> Bosques >>>> said. >>>> >>>> The officer had "50 miles" left on the charge, but as soon as he >>>> started >>>> the chase the range dropped to 8 miles and he had to call off the chase. >>>> >>>> Imagine having your truck say you have 100 miles to go, and you start >>>> up >>>> a steep mountain incline to get to a tower site and suddenly get >>>> stranded because it dropped to 10 miles of range from the load of >>>> pulling up the hill. >>>> >>>> Gas - I always know what I have and in general it's the same no matter >>>> what. >>>> Electric - Huge variations depending on temperature and usage. >>>> >>>> On 11/30/19 8:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> > Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have 200 >>>> miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to be >>>> charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a >>>> different mindset. No maintenance and a truck good for a half million >>>> miles with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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