I have solar on my house and my shop. Did it all myself. Payback on the house
was less than 5 years for 10 kW. On the shop I save $1000 each month on my 20
kW array. Mostly due to reducing the demand charge.
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 9:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Maybe good to talk about our typical long distance trip that, with the long
range 3, requires a visit to supercharger. Reno->Yuba City->Reno. This is
over the summit of the sierras so is NOT a drive easy on the Tesla. It's
about 75 miles past the range that would be comfortable doing without recharge
with reserves. That's the pilot in me. So it's easier to hit a supercharger
in Yuba City for 1/2 hour and get up to 60-80% for the trip back. We don't
drive slow, speeds usually are speed limit plus 5 to 10 mph like the majority
of the traffic, maxing out about 90mph in a few spots. The bill is usually in
the $16 range. We set the car up to 100% charge the night before which is now
coming out to be 300 miles from the original 320 1.5 years ago. This way less
than we would spend on fuel for this trip. I have a 2015 diesel Grand Cherokee
that does the whole trip on 1/2 a tank (27 gallon tank). At current rates
filling that 13 gallons would be $5.50 per gallon = $70! Now the car is going
to get filled back up in the garage after the trip, which is also going to be
about $15 at home energy prices. So the trip costs us about 1/2 in the Tesla
what it does in the GC. Both cars were similar $$ when purchased. The GC
has automatic cruise control so it backs off and accelerates automagically,
similar to the Tesla, but the Tesla also does lane keeping. I feel less
"driven out" after the trip in the Tesla. The diesel in the GC gives 32 MPG
hwy which is pretty good. We are trying to convince ourselves to solar the
house, but that doesn't pencil out unless you look at resale value instead of
cost/earnings and I think house prices are about to plunge with everything else.
On 5/27/22 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I forgot to reply about the Supercharger costs. So as long as you have your
credit card linked to your tesla account, charging is super easy. Back up to
the pedestal and plug it in. That's it. It's then billed to your account at the
end of the session.
Costs have increased a lot this year so it's becoming closer to the cost of
gas but not quite there. It will always be cheaper to charge at home for your
daily use. Only use superchargers for road trips. In MN, the supercharger costs
$0.33/kwh but my home is roughly $0.125/kwh so almost 3x cheaper at home. I
think in 2018 when I had my first tesla, it was around $0.21/kwh at chargers.
On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:58 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Tesla definitely has precondition schedule to warm the battery and interior
with Hvac. I don't use it in my garage because I don't care to have the car
warm or cold before my drive. It heats and cools so fast I don't see the point.
I sometime manually turn on Hvac to defrost my windshield in the winter when
it's sitting outside. Turn it on 5 to 10 mins before you're ready to go and
your car is heated, seats are hot, and steering wheel too. All from within the
app of course.
On Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Perfect, I asked the sales rep after the test drive about that and he
said it does not have that feature.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 8:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Tap the Climate Controls settings screen > turn on Preconditioning in
settings > select 'Schedule' to set a daily time when you want to be ready to
drive.
There's also a great API to control your car from anywhere (as long as it
has connectivity).
On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 9:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
Can you schedule the climate control to turn on? I like that my Leaf
will start the AC or heat a half hour before my normal drive times.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 26, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Tesla recommends plugging in. You can set how full it will charge
to with the phone app, but the LFP batteries you are getting will let you leave
that at 100% without impacting performance of the batteries. You will like
the phone app it has a lot of features. I figured out that you can create an
email alias and have both your and your wifes phone use that to log in with
full features instead of having a superior and inferior account.
On 5/26/22 2:31 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
With the Leaf, I have always plugged it in when I got to work, or
in one case where I had a long commute, both at work and at home. Never had a
battery problem. Except during really cold weather but all Leafs have that
problem.
Looking forward to the heated battery. Not understanding if I
should not charge the Tesla every day as my daily commute is about 14 miles RT.
I like having it topped up every day so that I can go wherever I want. But if
that is hard on the battery I will have to change the way I charge.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
If you're not looking at the exterior with a microscope, you'll be
VERY happy with your M3 over the Leaf. It's faster, more range, bigger, and
more fun. The infotainment is awesome too.
Let us know your review of the car once you get it. Their charger
network is the largest in the world too so road trips are quite easy even with
lower range. You have the smaller battery in that model so charge time will be
under 20 minutes to add 70-80% of the total capacity on each charge. You should
not charge to 100% unless you absolutely need that range to get to the next
charger. I recommend only charging to 80% on road trips to keep the charge
times down. Like any battery, the charge rate decreases the closer you get to
100%. It drops pretty quick after 80% so trips can be made faster if you charge
from 10% to 80% than if you charge from 40% to 100% for example.
For your daily charging at home, they recommend no more than 90%
full to maintain the range of your battery. If you charge more than that, plan
on driving the car within a couple hours so your car doesn't sit charged above
90% for an extended period of time.
But if you ordered the RWD small battery version, I think you get
the LFP battery which means you can charge to 100% with no concerns about
hurting the battery. The link below will help you determine if you have the LFP
battery. If you do, you can charge to 100% at home but you do not need to do so
on road trips using superchargers because it takes too long to hit 100%. Just
charge until you have enough range to reach your next stop or destination. Also
download Plugshare and you can find Level 2 chargers all around the country
that aren't listed in the Tesla map. Many are free so you can find spots like
restaurants or hotels that offer free charging.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_jo/GUID-7FE78D73-0A17-47C4-B21B-54F641FFAEF4.html
On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 2:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I am not terribly anal for fit and finish issues. A car is a
tool, not a trophy. It is an expense, not an investment. A tesla is an
extravagance, not a need. But I sure hate buying gasoline, so since my Leaf
lease is expiring I needed to get something. I am buying this and I bought an
airplane once. Only two times I have bought something I didn’t really need.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Tesla's in general do not have a stellar reputation for
"reliability" or build quality. That said, the M3 scores high, followed
relatively closely by the MY. The two share 80% of their components.
If you drill down on the reliability complaints, it is often to
do with niggling little things like door handles and retracting rear view
mirrors and the like. The MX is horrible for the X-wing doors. There are also
on-and-off issues with build quality (except for the ones made in China). They
have been getting steadily better, and the really new ones I've seen look
almost perfect WRT fit and finish.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 5/26/2022 10:11 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Is this coming from a Tesla owner?
Tesla owners I know don’t say anything bad about the car or
company.
From: Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Are you not concerned at all regarding build quality or
longevity with a company that hasn't been forthright about existing issues,
poor warranty experiences, and don't seem to generally care about their
customer service or customer in general?
On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a
used one... I have some time to cancel this order... I am a cheap bugger.
This might be the last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?
From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in
September, which, after so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have
been three months ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.
Getting into and out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now
being replaced. We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I
think the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are willing to
throw money at. I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the prices for used
stay this high. $20K over our price would be hard to refuse, with the likely
reduction in lead times in the next year or so as the factories ramp up.
On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla,
our Model Y is is 2 years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s
car and I still have the gas guzzling 911!
Peace out.
On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Model 3 They predict Sept to December delivery. $46K
375 mile range I think. I really like the cruise control. It does lane
keeping so I really don’t see a use for an autopilot.
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LENT
Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead
time?
On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Sorry, I started it.
Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve
show. Ken and Lewis used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.
But we do have the OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap
out.
But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled
the guys that need trolling. Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic
comments.
So it is now dead until Lent is over. Next year’s lent.
BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla. My 4th Leaf lease is
coming due in July so I took the leap. Did a test drive today and really loved
it. I loved the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of
enjoyment.
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