Yes, GPS sync helps with yourself, you are absolutely right. It doesn't help a damn about the combined noisefloors of dozens or hundreds of radios your RF front end hears though, the receiver's selectivity is destroyed despite your sync. It also doesn't do anything about your competitor transmitting on an adjacent channel, the same channel, or an overlapping channel on one you are trying to receive on at your AP.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 04/18/2015 11:26 PM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

You can reduce self interference with GPS. So with limited spectrum you can optimize it with ABAB. If you need to use adjacent channels on your APs GPS Sync reduces the problems.

Your own radios are close together so you see them at much higher levels then your competitors radios. Your backhauls point at your towers exactly.

For sure in congested areas licensed is the way to go for backhaul.

*Von:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds
*Gesendet:* Sonntag, 19. April 2015 08:54
*An:* [email protected]
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

You're not.

Explain to me how single player GPS sync helps in a mixed environment of various vendors when your equipment is in the beamwidth many other competitors and your radios suck in the presence of adjacent channel noise? It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Notch filters would help those radios in that scenario, but it's not really practical unless you just like to climb towers for kicks.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 04/18/2015 08:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

    You may not need the benefits, but it doesn't mean I'm not correct.



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    *From: *"Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    *To: *"Animal Farm" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:15:53 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

Nope. Having great success with no sync using Ubiquiti radios. Now with new channels even better. Just like Mesh. Not ready for
    prime time on my TV...

    Jaime Solorza

    On Apr 18, 2015 10:11 PM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync.



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        *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, "Mathew Howard"
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM
        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

        AF absolutely has sync?

        As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time.

        In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply
        don't care about sync.

        Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you
        simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or
        three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell
        offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually
        useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction),
        its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would
        currently excel in that scenario.

        There are many places where we are, for instance, where
        multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have
        towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to "shrug
        off" that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us.

        On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            This test ignores a few kind of important details... the
            UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which
            gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa
            radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput
            since they are the only ones with the ability to use two
            80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is
            actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced
            Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a
            $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP.

            That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is
            probably right :P

            On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                If your criterion is performance in the presence of a
                signal on a different frequency 30 dB stronger than
                the desired signal, this analysis is relevant.  Also,
                this seems to be the scenario airPrism is designed to
                address.  But how often would this occur?  Even if the
                interference is from another non-synced transmitter on
                the same tower, you’d think directional antennas would
                knock the interfering signal down to less than 1000
                times the desired signal.

                I guess this could be realistic if you have a point to
                point link in the same band as a sector, so that a
                giant dish at the other end is pointed right at your
                sector.

                *From:*Josh Reynolds <mailto:[email protected]>

                *Sent:*Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:34 PM

                *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; Seth
                Mattinen <mailto:[email protected]>

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..

                Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion
                where Jim said "it's the exact same chip that's in the
                RM5"?

                I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test
                as a baseline, but ignoring the results simply because
                it's N tech in the EPMP is silly. Not only does the
                throughput drop, but the LEVEL it degrades at is only
                "bested" by the B5C in a few of the tests. N or not,
                that's a very poor result.

                I would love to see other tests posted on this from
                other people, its always nice to have multiple sources
                to remove any potential level of bias.

                Jim did an excellent job on this and should be commended.

                On April 18, 2015 2:26:50 PM AKDT, Seth Mattinen
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:

                          Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC 
PTP, EPMP-1000,

                          B5c and RB922

                          
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-2-let-s-try-a-whole-bunch-of-them/cns-p/1232309

                    Dude didn't seem to catch that the ePMP is an N radio and 
dismisses it

                    as worst of the worst. Looks to me like it would probably 
hold up

                    comparably to its AC counterparts if you take that into 
consideration.

                    ~Seth


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