Good to know. I had read awhile back that they didn't pay anything for
use of the music....I guess you just can't trust internets.
On 10/2/2015 12:26 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Blanket licensing for radio stations:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing3.htm
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Case in point, which might even be back on the original topic, Is
Rick Astley damaged by "Rick Roll" videos?
He was out of the public eye for years until Rickrolling became a
thing on 4Chan and then suddenly the very next year he has a gig
in the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade.
On 10/2/2015 12:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger
antennas without license.
That's a different animal. Presumably you lose a sale for every
sale of the counterfeit unit. Unauthorized public performances
might raise awareness of an artist's work and conceivable
/increase/ sales. A radio station doesn't need license to play
music on the air. The artists and recording companies recognize
that being on the radio makes them more popular and thus helps
them sell tickets and/or recordings. In theory, being on some
Company's hold music should have the same effect.
Mind you....I do my best to follow the law. I even come to a
complete stop at stop signs. I encourage customers to follow the
law as well, especially when I'm speaking as an agent of my
employer. I'm just pointing out that sometimes following the law
feels silly.
On 10/2/2015 12:07 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
I guess they are not harmed if they don’t know they were harmed.
But that is a practical tangible physical answer.
The theoretical answer is someone copying the intellectual
property is a “market replacement” and they have suffered
financial harm, they were damaged.
If they did not have access to the music (like we do now) other
than going to the record store and buying the 45 RPM record they
would not be able to get it. In those days the control of the
property was pretty easy.
Moreover, MOH is an offshoot of a public performance. Mazak got
into hot water along with some of their customers in the early
days of these IP wars too. The artist deserves to be
compensated for the use of their creation. Just like a patent.
How am I harmed if someone is creating and selling stinger
antennas without license.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2015 9:41 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
I had the same issue with some PBX customers.
I found a website full of public domain music and suggested they
pick from it. One customer was a church that recorded their own
pianist playing some of those 18th century hymns that nobody
owns anymore.
At the end of the day, if the customer told me to set up their
Bob Marley CD as their hold music, then I did what they asked.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't stop him from
peeing in it.....or something like that.
....in theory, how is an artist is damaged by MOH?
On 10/2/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One of the struggles I have with hosted PBX customers is
getting them to understand that MOH needs (in most cases) to be
licensed. The cost per track or for a subscription is usually
pretty small, but the idea of shelling out any money at all
seems to be a showstopper. (Of course, their time and yours is
free.) Seriously, the owner of the business is spending time
obsessing over it, but spending something like $129 for an
unlimited subscription to a catalog of on hold music is too
much money to do it legally?
My question is, if customers are spending so much time on hold
they get sick of the stock Asterisk MOH, maybe you should do
something about your hold times? Or record your own content,
like if you have radio commercials. But really, the purpose of
MOH is to be non-intrusive while telling the caller they have
not been disconnected. Not to compete with Pandora and Spotify.
Sorry, I realize this wasn’t really on topic.
*From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 9:47 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
Ha!
*From:* Eric Kuhnke <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2015 6:06 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] New hold music for the customer facing
asterisk IVR
(For anyone who thinks the path looks weird, this is the / of
my voip server temporarily mounted as ~/voipserver/ via sshfs)
Image attached
