I can read a license plate on any camera depending on the location and 
configuration. 

To say the UBNT product is not a professional product is both naive and simply 
an opinion. Just because you cannot use a third party product with it doesn't 
mean it's not a professional product. And I'll bet UBNT has a camera in the 
works with tilt, pan and zoom. 

UBNT was designed to be simple to install and quick to deploy. It was also 
designed to just work. Their cameras are by far the best cameras and NVR I've 
been able to find on the market. Nothing else I've found is as seamless. I 
don't know why you would want a 3rd party camera with it to be honest. Their 
cameras are really good. 

I'm not saying that UBNT is the best in every environment, but they are for 
most in my opinion. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Sorin Esanu <so...@evox.ro> wrote:
> 
> It's something wrong with your setup, because I can read plates in the dark 
> without any issue. 
> We are not comparing apples with apples here. Hikvision is professional 
> product (like many others on the market). Ubnt is not. Can you install a 3rd 
> party PTZ/Speeddome camera on Ubnt system if needed? I am talking here about 
> _integrating_ it with the Ubnt software.
> 
> 
>> On 10/30/2015 11:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> It didn’t do the seamless NVR like UBNT.  For a single stand alone it was OK 
>> but it still cannot see a truck license plate in the dark. 
>>  
>> From: TJ Trout
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:44 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
>>  
>> Ubnt stuff is unreliable. What didn't you like about the Hikvision? Probably 
>> just a setting, stuff is flawless
>>  
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> You should take a look at the new UBNT stuff.  I also tried Hikvision 
>>> recently and I like the UBNT stuff better. 
>>>  
>>> From: TJ Trout
>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:42 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
>>>  
>>> I've been doing professional cctv contracting for 10 years and I've never 
>>> been more impressed with a product's price/performance than Hikvision
>>>  
>>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they 
>>>> clearly had nothing worth selling.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>> Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sure I can. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>>> You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced it 
>>>>>>> with a product that isn't crappy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Sorin Esanu" mailto:so...@evox.ro
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point the 
>>>>>>> unifi 
>>>>>>> video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking some 
>>>>>>> basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product that 
>>>>>>> should have never be release to the public. As I understand they 
>>>>>>> refined 
>>>>>>> it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in making 
>>>>>>> just 
>>>>>>> video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves us 
>>>>>>> well 
>>>>>>> and I would not go with Ubnt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras are 
>>>>>>> supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs); 
>>>>>>> Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other 
>>>>>>> manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the possibility 
>>>>>>> to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know if 
>>>>>>> you 
>>>>>>> can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 1-2 
>>>>>>> cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely. 
>>>>>>> Access 
>>>>>>> control system that interconnect with video surveillance, professional 
>>>>>>> analytics software, ONVIF support...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>>>>>>> > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
>>>>>>> > What does it mean to us?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces and/or 
>>>>>>> > license plate and record it or send via email etc.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream and/or 
>>>>>>> > ubnt does not?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Tushar
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu
>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM
>>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S)
>>>>>>> > + cheap
>>>>>>> > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
>>>>>>> > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need NVR!) very
>>>>>>> > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances up to
>>>>>>> > + 10m (their marketing
>>>>>>> > says 30m. BS!)
>>>>>>> > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or search
>>>>>>> > recordings on SD camera
>>>>>>> > + POE & 12VDC
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras you can 
>>>>>>> > get for ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that, if you get 
>>>>>>> > quantity.
>>>>>>> > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that can 
>>>>>>> > work flawless with their cameras.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>> >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera system
>>>>>>> >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable, preferably via
>>>>>>> >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although functional
>>>>>>> >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives.
>>>>>>> >> I know a lot of people use and install these.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Are there any suggestions for systems?
> 

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