You should take a look at the new UBNT stuff.  I also tried Hikvision recently 
and I like the UBNT stuff better.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

I've been doing professional cctv contracting for 10 years and I've never been 
more impressed with a product's price/performance than Hikvision

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they clearly 
had nothing worth selling. 




  On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

    Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes.

    Josh Luthman
    Office: 937-552-2340
    Direct: 937-552-2343
    1100 Wayne St
    Suite 1337
    Troy, OH 45373

    On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

      Sure I can. 


      On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

        You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced it 
with a product that isn't crappy.




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        From: "Sorin Esanu" mailto:so...@evox.ro
        To: af@afmug.com
        Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

        Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do.

        As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point the 
unifi 
        video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking some 
        basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product that 
        should have never be release to the public. As I understand they 
refined 
        it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in making 
just 
        video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves us 
well 
        and I would not go with Ubnt.

        There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras are 
        supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs); 
        Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other 
        manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the possibility 
        to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know if 
you 
        can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 1-2 
        cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely. 
Access 
        control system that interconnect with video surveillance, professional 
        analytics software, ONVIF support...

        I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me.

        On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote:
        > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following:
        >
        >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
        > What does it mean to us?
        >
        > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces and/or 
license plate and record it or send via email etc.
        >
        > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream and/or 
ubnt does not?
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > Tushar
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu
        > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM
        > To: af@afmug.com
        > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
        >
        > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S)
        > + cheap
        > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
        > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need NVR!) very
        > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances up to
        > + 10m (their marketing
        > says 30m. BS!)
        > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or search
        > recordings on SD camera
        > + POE & 12VDC
        >
        > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera
        >
        > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras you can 
get for ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that, if you get quantity.
        > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that can 
work flawless with their cameras.
        >
        >
        >
        > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
        >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera system
        >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable, preferably via
        >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although functional
        >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives.
        >> I know a lot of people use and install these.
        >>
        >> Are there any suggestions for systems?







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