Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they clearly had nothing worth selling.

On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes.

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On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Sure I can.

    On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
    You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced
    it with a product that isn't crappy.



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    *From: *"Sorin Esanu" <so...@evox.ro> <mailto:so...@evox.ro>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras

    Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do.

    As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point
    the unifi
    video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking
    some
    basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product that
    should have never be release to the public. As I understand they
    refined
    it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in
    making just
    video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves
    us well
    and I would not go with Ubnt.

    There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras are
    supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs);
    Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other
    manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the
    possibility
    to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know
    if you
    can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 1-2
    cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely.
    Access
    control system that interconnect with video surveillance,
    professional
    analytics software, ONVIF support...

    I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me.

    On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote:
    > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following:
    >
    >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
    > What does it mean to us?
    >
    > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces
    and/or license plate and record it or send via email etc.
    >
    > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream
    and/or ubnt does not?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Tushar
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu
    > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM
    > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras
    >
    > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S)
    > + cheap
    > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx
    > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need
    NVR!) very
    > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances
    up to
    > + 10m (their marketing
    > says 30m. BS!)
    > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or search
    > recordings on SD camera
    > + POE & 12VDC
    >
    > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera
    >
    > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras
    you can get for ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that,
    if you get quantity.
    > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that
    can work flawless with their cameras.
    >
    >
    >
    > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
    >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera
    system
    >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable,
    preferably via
    >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although
    functional
    >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives.
    >> I know a lot of people use and install these.
    >>
    >> Are there any suggestions for systems?




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